Tony, Thanks for the insights and ideas.
Ref: The list of missing tiddlers in the Sidebar > More > Missing This area is of almost no interest to a visitor of the tiddlywiki.com website. What happens in there is not important to the points I am trying to make, so perhaps we should not spend effort discussing what to do there. How about we turn the question the other way around. I what way is it useful for a newer visitor to tiddlywiki.com to encounter dozens of links to missing tiddlers? In what way does a syslink to a missing tiddler that there is no reason to create, help a visitor to the site? We are not talking here about our own personal TiddlyWikis where we may often want links to missing tiddlers to show up so we can make them later. We are discussing the official documentation site of the TiddlyWiki program only. I don't believe anyone in the near future is going to spend hours going through scores of tiddlers on tiddlywiki.com to add the tilde to missing links, or to make blank meaningless tiddlers to missing links that provide no information, or to scores of short explanation tiddlers to presently missing links - that really don't need to be made. There is no value of providing missing links to tiddlers that are either never going to be created, nor even created in the foreseeable future. And finally, most of those missing links are not because of sloppy documentation. They are because of CamelCase and syslinks being automatically created. Time for Sunday afternoon beer now! Cheers. On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 10:54:22 AM UTC+7, TonyM wrote: > > S S , > > Ah, Sorry I did not see them. I just looked and clearly they are a result > of documenting such "functional system tiddlers" in Tiddlywiki.com, even > when they are not in use. If you look at empty.html you will see there are > no "missing tiddlers". It is trivial when writing documentation to use the > tilde ~ in front to stop them turning into links, but I question why one > would, since clicking creates the tiddler and you could place notes in it > for future reference. > > I understand your concern they may be disconcerting to some new users who > have not come to understand the value of automatically providing missing > links, since in our own wikis this can lead us to learn of incomplete > information. In some ways it is an inevitable product of the content in > TiddlyWiki.com, but it it I take a copy of tiddlywiki.com offline for my > own notes it is true any new missing links will be hard to identify in the > large number already there. > > Rather than stop the *syslink* parsing could I suggest the best approach > would be to create the missing tiddlers either empty (they will stop being > missing) and/or with descriptive content, or even listing all the > references to that tiddler as part of the documentation process, users on > tiddlywiki.com could then find where that formally missing tiddler is > discussed. The truth is many of these missing tiddlers, system or otherwise > do in fact often point to shortfalls in the internal documentation and need > attention anyway, so creating these should be part of the documentation > effort. Where the link is clearly not required it should be edited to stop > camel case or add the tilde, however this is unlikely to be valid with most > system tiddlers named. > > Another approach may be to provide the ability to list "missing tiddlers" > that are exceptions and filter them out of the list of missing tiddlers. If > a tiddler is missing and not in the list it will still appear. > > Regards > Tony > > > > On Saturday, 16 February 2019 00:18:51 UTC+11, S. S. wrote: >> >> Tony, >> >> My post a couple of days ago >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywikidev/B5UsFTGN5Mg/z81dzejBBgAJ> >> lists many tiddlers having missing tiddlers caused by auto syslinks. For >> missing tiddlers linked to by CamelCase, the full list can be seen in the >> side-bar, More, Missing. >> >> Altogether there are a lot of them. >> >> Regards. >> >> On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 1:31:16 PM UTC+7, TonyM wrote: >>> >>> S S , >>> >>> Can you share some of the cases where "* visitors to tiddlywiki.com >>> <http://tiddlywiki.com/> *[DO]* encounter meaningless links to >>> non-existent tiddlers"* >>> >>> I am curious where these are being encountered and why. >>> >>> Regards >>> tony >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywikidev/8c9e9085-c489-477f-8dfd-995d0b5f19d8%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
