----- Original Message ----- From: "Magnus Danielson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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BTW, measuring the 53rd overtone frequency may not give a clear picture of the frequency deviations at the base frequency. Overtone spectras experience quite a different phase shift from the way it is produced by a number of devices which vector-add to become the seen frequency and phase. Turn on or off a strong producer of that frequency may shift that phase quite a bit while the
fundamental is barly shifted.


Quite true, the majority of loads that produce high order harmonics back into the grid are almost always varying considerably in the short term-thus they produce short term variations in the resultant harmonic spectra that renders the lines somewhat broader than you might think. Ski lift motor drives are a good example of this. Such loads, without adequate filterimg at the point of supply for the load, produce high harmonic levels in the associated supply network, to the detriment of any telecom cable network that happens to run parallel for significant distances-as they always do in rural areas!

The old manual method that used to be used for power grid frequency checking involved a comparison of two clocks, one driven from a reference and the other from the grid itself-more usually the output of a local generator in the days prior to strong grid linkages. The comparison was typically done once or twice a day and appropriate adjustments to the generation plant made to correct the grid driven clock and keep its reading 'syncronised' to the reference clock.

I have here the remains of an attempt in the early seventies to bring this type of system up to date - it comprised an HP 105 series quartz reference, a K20- HP 5280A up down counter and an HP 5321B clock. The up down counter was driven from 100 Hz signals derived from both the 105B and the power grid. An HP 6933A D/A converter on the BCD output from the counter had its plus/minus 10 volt output interfaced to the generation plant. The 5321B clock reading was initialised from the local time service(radio time pips) and then used to fine tune the control system (D/A conveter to generator coupling) so the up down counter stayed at or near zero reading and grid time ran in sync with national standard time. I dont know how successful this system was but I think it was in service for several years.

I have the up down counter and the D/A converter almost fully operational again- but only have parts ratted circuit boards from the 5321B clock and I never got the 105B.

DaveB, NZ




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