HP has a shipping exemption for their standards. I don't know what one needs to do to take advantage of it. In the general case, you can't ship caesium, but the HP stuff is - as noted - small and sealed, and they jumped through the hoops.

  -Dave

On Apr 30, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote:

Well, there you go. It seems to be human nature to not challenge a
lesson already learned, so that improvements are not noticed.

Thanks for the update.

I bought a Tracor 4040 cesium standard several years ago. The sale was
local because the shipping case for the unit carried a warning about
cesium inside. Cesium is flammable in water. Never mind that it is a
small quantity sealed in a welded steel tube. The seller had investigated
shipping and was deterred by the special handling required to ship
dangerous flammable materials.

Regards,
Bill Hawkins


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] For Sale - HP 5061B Cesium


1. Has the restriction on shipping c(a)esium gone away?

I didn't know there was a restriction. I told the UPS guy what I wanted to ship and he even claimed to know what it was. He said he had shipped one
before.

2. The R-390 class receivers are about the weight of a 5061. I've never
heard anything good from the r390 list about using UPS stores for
anything over 10-20 pounds. There have been disaster stories about the condition of sets that were shipped by such stores. They don't understand about double boxing and the ability of an object to settle to the bottom
of a pile of peanuts during shipment. Personally, my best shipping
experience was an R-391 (pickup only, many states away) that I had picked up, crated and shipped by an air freight company. Cost $150 about 15 years ago. Would have been more expensive if I hadn't picked it up from the air
freight terminal at the airport.

I voiced my concern about peanuts to the UPS guy and he said that he would use thick foam sheets. He said he ships heavy stuff all the time. He also said that if UPS boxed it and it was damaged in shipping, they would pay the claim without any hassle, vs someone else boxing it. I assume he knew what
he was talking about, as he was the UPS Store manager.

3. Insurance pays the shipper if damage to the package can be proved
quickly by the shippee. It is best to be there and refuse to accept the
shipment if the box is leaking peanuts. Some trust is required for
payment.

Yes, if the box is obviously damaged upon delivery, it should either be immediately opened or refused, depending on the condition. I have made the UPS driver wait while I opened a damaged box in the past. However, if UPS takes responsibility for their own packaging job (as I was told), then I would feel more comfortable about things. I am willing to arrange most any type of shipping (within reason), as long as the buyer is willing to pay for
it.

P.S. Is 20 the right value for beam current, or is it half of normal?

I just checked my copy of the manual and it says that 20 is "nominal" for
beam current.


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