In a message dated 7/7/2006 09:15:28 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Paul, While there are certainly oscillators out there approaching the -160dBc at 1KHz (OSA BVAs spring to mind), some of the phase noise performance of the OCXO will be degraded by the GPS receiver itself. Not sure from my experience that this sort of figure would be achievable in practice. I'm interested to see what other comments you get. Good luck. Hello Paul, Rob, yes you are right, the phase noise also depends very much on the design of the GPSDO itself, not just the oscillator. But it can be done! Some weeks ago I sent a phase noise measurement of our new Fury GPSDO unit to this message board (let me know if you like to get a copy), in this you can see that our output has -155dBc phase noise at 1KHz offset, and we achieve this with an MTI 230 oscillator, an innovative power supply, filtering, and buffering circuitry. There are also no visible spurs above 20Hz carrier offset. Keeping in mind that the circuitry matters, it may not be straight forward to replace the 230 OCXO - you have to make sure the 260 unit you want to use is compatible in Vdd, VEFC, control slope, output power/type/frequency, power consumption (very unlikely) etc. Also, HP probably measured the thermal behavior of the entire unit at the factory (they mention this in some of their literature) and stored these calibration values in EEPROM - these values won't work well for a different OCXO. Also, to get the best performing 260 unit, you have to get a 5MHz one, and the HP unit probably uses a 10MHz one. There is also another alternative you can use besides aquiring one of our $750 Fury units :) This alternative is to use the 260 Oscillator (you may already have one) in a very simple, and highly effective PLL loop slaved to the HP GPSDO: You can use a simple TI/Philips 74LVC86 Exor gate as the phase comparator between the outputs of the two OCXO's, then low-pass filter the output of the Exor (with a time constant of <1s), and feed this control voltage to the 260 OCXO. Since the PLL phase comparison frequency will be 5 or 10MHz (depenging on the 260 OCXO), you can use simple RC, or two cascaded RC circuits to low-pass filter the output of the Exor Gate. The Exor gate will now control the phase of the 260 unit to follow the HP GPSDO with 90 degree phase shift. You may have to buffer or add a DC offset to the sine wave outputs from the GPSDO and 260 OCXO before feeding them to the Exor gate. Run the Exor gate with a clean 5V power supply to get 0V - 5V EFC control voltage (2.5V being the desired steady state EFC voltage). The 260 OCXO will require a very clean supply as well (no switching regulators etc). For the loop filter, preferrably use Polyester caps, and make sure not to load the gate too heavily (use a 3.3K Metal Film resistor with a 47uF + 10nF cap for example). The output of the 260 will now be perfectly aligned to the GPS reference, but any noise from the HP unit above the loop filter bandwidth (1Hz or less) will be completely filtered out. This includes all spurs etc that the HP unit is generating. Besides the 260 OCXO, all you need is <$2 in components to make this PLL. Hope this helps, bye, Said _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list [email protected] https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
