jack, boy did I learn a bunch today. when in trouble go to the time-nuts and they have the answer. thanks a lot and did put in a bid. cleaned up the 9825 , blew out the dust and looks almost new now. one key is broken but the rest seems to work. have some more of the rom plugins coming that I found and the gpib and real-time clock rear plugins. then the fun will begin. have a couple of hp 5digit multimeters and two 12 digit counters and three digital clocks to connect so far. using a rubidium standard to run the clocks and modified the clocks to run on my solar 12 volts. the learning goes on and today is my birthday (73). what a great gift. thanks a lot. tom
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