Hi

There are an ever increasing number of places that will do pretty good quick 
turn boards. The fact that 
you can get 4 layer 10x10 cm boards with 4/4 mil rules / 8 mil holes  for < $20 
each delivered in under 
two weeks amazes me.Yes that’s a 10 piece price. Yes it includes framed steel 
stencils. Not so long ago 
your cheapest option would have charged you $300 simply to set up the board (== 
minimum test charge).
The two framed stencils would have cost more than the whole order does now. 

Bob


> On Jun 22, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Mark Sims <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> The value, quality, and turn-around from all these places is amazing.   In 
>> the olden days, one was paying $50 a square inch for a single prototype 
>> board with 4 week turn-around. 
>> 
> 
> Not to turn this into the “Four Yorkshireman” sketch, but in the olden days 
> (which by my reckoning were maybe only 10 years ago) there wasn’t reasonable 
> hobbyist access to PCB CAD software either - like EAGLE or Altium or KiCad or 
> the like.
> 
> When I was a teenager (mid 80s) I tried making my own PCB with clad board, an 
> etch resist pen, that nasty brown acid and the smallest drill bit I could get 
> my hands on. This was a single-sided board - I had absolutely no way to line 
> up a two-sided design even if through-hole plating would have been an option 
> (of course, it wouldn’t have). No solder resist, no silk screen.
> 
> It was a disaster. Even with a drill press I couldn’t line the DIP holes up 
> closely enough to mash a chip in without bending the leads to hell and gone.
> 
> It was that - and seeing the arrival of surface mount - that convinced me at 
> the time that there was no future for hobbyist electronic design and 
> creation. I dove with both feet into a career in software engineering.
> 
> I had no clue that all I had to do was wait 20 years.
> 
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