Hi

The noise performance of the HMC1031 close in is pretty horrible. It’s actually 
*worse* than the GPS signal noise. In a normal GPSDO the idea is to use an 
oscillator that is cleaner at 0.01 to 10 Hz than the GPS. 

Bob


> On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I was talking with someone at AD about a question I had about one of their 
> TinyDACs when they mentioned their HMC1031 chip. It looks like the ideal 
> building block for a clean-up oscillator.
> 
> It struck me just a touch later that the Venus838LPx-T has by default a 10 
> MHz output that’s phase locked to GPS time. It’s not good quality, but I 
> wonder if it’s good enough to be the reference for this particular chip. They 
> do talk about the ability to be driven by a “noisy” or "jittery” reference.
> 
> I think I’m going to take a crack at an OH300 GPSDO based on this design 
> concept. Actually, first I’m going to actually try to quantify the jitter on 
> the 10 MHz output from the Venus. From the HMC1031 datasheet it appears that 
> if it’s not confined to a ±3 ns corridor that the lock indicator may not work 
> (or work well). That would be a bummer.
> 
> I can foresee a GPSDO with the miniDIN 4 jack presenting the PPS and serial 
> I/O from the GPS module and two LEDs on the front - the “FIX” LED from the 
> GPS module and the lock LED from the PLL along with two BNC jacks. It would 
> have some downsides. For one, I believe in the absence of GPS reception, it 
> wouldn’t be able to properly hold-over at all. But it’ll be interesting to 
> see if it can work as well as the micro-controller driven variant does.
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