The discussion has gotten off track.
I probably didn't make myself clear.

When I talked about cleaning up the signal, I meant
exactly that, cleaning up the signal using a filter.
As opposed to cleaning up the measurement after the
fact.  I just need to know how well I need to filter
the signal to meet a certain ADEV measurement level.

The FM I have is not "slow".  The rate
is in the MHz range.  Can Stable 32 simulate that?

Again, this is analogous to the 5071A having 1 MHz
spurs of about -90 dBc, yet the ADEV is not much
different than an open loop 10811.  How high would
the 1 MHz spurs have to be to affect ADEV?

Thanks.

Rick

On 8/6/2018 1:56 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote:
If you know the *source* of the bias you're trying to remove (i.e. you
know it's a sinusoidal frequency modulation), I don't know that it's any
different than removing long term drift.

The TimeLab 'n' command (apply notch filter to phase records) is specifically for this 
purpose. JohnM added it when he ran into an H-maser which suffered from some sort of 
consistent periodic modulation. It spoiled the ADEV plots, but it did so in a 
deterministic manner. In a case like this you either debug the root cause of the h/w 
problem and make the repair, or just "repair it" in s/w. Like you say, it's the 
same concept (and danger) as removing linear drift or other deterministic / model-able 
effects.

To explore this for yourself, you can use Stable32 to generate synthetic 
phase/frequency data with your choice of noise and modulation. Then use TimeLab 
to view the raw data and to apply the notch filter.

I've written up some quick examples here: www.leapsecond.com/pages/adev-fm/

The plots dramatically show what effect slow FM can have on an ADEV plot. It 
also shows how well the TimeLab notch filter works. If you don't have time to 
look at that page, I've attached one plot to whet your appetite.

/tvb



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