Atilla wrote: "Yes. This effect has been known for a few decades at least. What kind of puzzles me is, that I have not seen a mathematically sound explanation of it, so far. People talk of aliasing and sampling, but do not describe where the sampling happens in the first place. After all, it's a time-continuous system and as such, there is no sampling. One could look at it as a (sub-harmonic) mixing system, but even that analogy falls short, as there is no second input. If someone knows of a description that goes beyond handwavy arguments, I would very much appreciate hearing of them."

I can only offer a handwavy suggestion, or food for thought, regarding digital dividers of all sorts.

Regardless of the type of divider or process used, the devices within have finite gain, so imperfect isolation between the output activity and input. Whatever is happening downstream in a divider chain can provide a delayed, topology- and pattern-dependent signal back to the input, containing the associated frequency content. The issue of course, is how big the effect may be.

I don't know if this sort of thing is trivial or has already been included somehow in the rigorous and theoretical studies, but I know it's there, having observed such anomalies over the years. I've never had a situation where the effect was big enough to prevent something from working right, just casual observations that made me think about what's going on.

You can probably observe it easily with enough dynamic range. Say, set up an ECL FF to divide by two, and AC couple everything for ground reference. Put in an RF clock signal - sine, square, doesn't matter - and look at this input signal with a spectrum analyzer (don't worry too much about impedance matching - just get the clock signal big enough to toggle). You should see the strong clock and its harmonics, as expected, and if you dig deep enough, should be able to see the one-half frequency that shouldn't exist with a perfect FF. Now, how it gets there may be due to a number of reasons like ground loops or power supply coupling, but some of it is going right through the device from out to in.

Ed



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