Hi

A very normal internet based NTP setup will do what you wish to do. The main 
task is to make 
sure that your devices are *really* running NTP and not some odd thing built 
into their OS. The 
more devices / operating systems / OS versions / system configurations you have 
the more 
exciting this gets. 

Bob

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Eric Scace <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>   I fear that I am developing a reputation for bringing to the list rather 
> oddball questions. In my rôle as agent provocateur, therefore, here is 
> another such problem.
> 
>   Questions for you are at the end. Thanks for your thoughts,.
> 
> — Eric
> 
> Issue:
>   A community broadcast radio station with multiple studio locations wishes 
> to improve the display of time-of-day throughout the station’s operating 
> environments. Its current legacy approaches (described below) cause problems 
> such as:
> on-air presenters fail to smoothly segue into scheduled program feeds (e.g., 
> BBC news) because the studio clock is “a little off”… and because the studio 
> clock is digital. [Quick: how many more seconds can you speak before the top 
> of the hour when a digital clock shows 4:59:42? Watching an analog stepping 
> second hand is much easier in this situation.]
> computers that automatically capture audio programs to files in storage 
> sometimes truncate the start or end of the program because the computer’s 
> idea of time-of-day disagrees with that of the program source.
> desktop computers throughout the station, including in production studios, 
> all render slightly different versions of time-of-day to their users.
> servers (e.g, for streaming, for archiving shows) are similarly in cheerful 
> disagreement as to time of day.
> wall clocks studios in one city show a different time to their engineers than 
> the studios in another city, rendering handoffs more complicated. Ditto for 
> remote broadcast sites, and even between studios in the same site.
> requires manual intervention to bring the most egregious systems back to some 
> semblance of reality
> 
> Background & existing situation:
>   Commercial broadcast stations have more money and technology to solve these 
> problems. In contrast, “community radio” stations have limited funds and are 
> largely staffed by volunteers (like me!).
> 
>   In this case, the existing systems are a hodgepodge:
> mostly Windows OS PCs, with a couple of Macs
> Linux servers
> mash-mash of wall clocks, the best of which is a LaCrosse WWVB digital in the 
> primary on-air studio. The WWVB signal is more than adequate but the LaCross 
> display format is sub-optimal for studio use.
> 
> Goals: (first pass)
> minimum accuracy requirement: time-of-day displayed within ±0.1 second of UTC 
> timescale. (Two clocks both falling outside this range will cause program 
> handoffs to be uncomfortably tight or loose.)
> no manual intervention required for summer/winter time transitions
> no manual intervention required for leap seconds
> leap second:
> no smearing (minimum requirement)
> accurate leap second display (desirable but unlikely to be achievable)
> desirable consistency goal: time-of-day displayed within ±0.025 second 
> throughout each site. At this level, two adjacent clock displays will not be 
> perceived as out of step by a person.
> presentation goals: studio/remote broadcast control point time-of-day 
> displayed in both analog (with stepped seconds hands) and digital form 
> (preferred H:MM).
> If digital form includes seconds, the seconds digits should be visually 
> separated; e.g..smaller. A presenter can then, at a glance and without 
> confusion, announce the time (“four twenty-three”) from the digital display.
> Date in form “Oct 17 Thu” available.
> medium-term desirable: displays continue within specs for 
> accuracy/consistency across power cutovers (to/from generator) and public 
> Internet outages.
> maintenance goals:
> "eschew emergencies”: no one should have to rush to the station in the middle 
> of the night, nor drop what their doing during the day, because time-of-day 
> display has failed or gone out-of-spec.
> standardize on the same hardware/software everywhere
> identical hardware allows more cost-effective 1:N sparing
> identical hardware/software means less confusion and less training for 
> volunteers. (There are a large number of volunteers who use these systems, 
> and most contribute time less than once per week. Consistency and 
> straightforwardness in the toolkit improves the quality of on-air results.)
> not too costly
> try to avoid stringing a lot of new cabling around… but such cabling needs 
> are recognized as a one-time investment, so this preference does not 
> eliminate a cable-based solution that has other operational/maintenance 
> advantages
> 
> Potential approaches:
> potential short-term:
> desktops and servers: better NTP configuration
> NTP checks:
> at least hourly?
> verify NTP utility employs reasonable averaging of multiple NTP servers
> use time.nist.gov <http://time.nist.gov/> and similar higher-quality NTP 
> servers
> some systems are on in-house Ethernet; others on in-house wi-fi
> clocks:
> replace with refurb iPads running a dedicated time-of-day display app 
> providing both analog and digital form. A refurb wall- or desk-mounted 13” 
> iPad in locking frame runs about $100. Smaller sizes can be mounted 
> immediately adjacent to or atop a studio mixing board.
> remote field broadcast site: iPad over local wi-fi or cellular data?
> IRIG displays could be awesome, but seem far more costly per display and 
> require pulling coax — and integrated analog + digital displays appear to be 
> less common. Two displays (one analog, the other digital) in each studio 
> provide some redundancy but costs go up fast.
> NTP-clocks powered over ethernet could similarly be awesome, but are 
> similarly more costly and few integrated analog + digital displays exist.
> medium term:
> add in-house NTP server (with GPS and reasonable holdover plus battery 
> backup) on each city’s on-site LAN/wi-fi networks as primary source, with 
> remote public NTP servers as secondary. Many suitable models appear to exist, 
> including the ESE E-911 units mentioned recently. Only a few are needed: one 
> for each site plus sparing.
> potentially increase the frequency of NTP synchronization for each 
> computer/display clock when a local NTP server has been installed.
> 
> Questions:
> Are there other approaches that should be considered?
> What NTP software should be used on Windows OS machines? Linux servers?
> Mac OS allows one choice of NTP server but does not seem to provide for 
> choice of NTP update frequency. Is there a 3rd party software solution, or 
> some other parameter within MacOS that an admin can change to (a) establish a 
> primary and secondary NTP server, and (b) set the frequency of NTP updates?
> If one were to use an iPad to display time-of-day, what iPad apps provide the 
> needed display formats, frequency of NTP checks, primary/secondary NTP 
> sources?
> For example, Atomic Clock Gorgy updates hourly and allows the user to choose 
> one NTP server group (e.g., time.nist.gov <http://time.nist.gov/>). It has an 
> analog seconds display format (circle of dots), digital H:MM (optional :SS), 
> and MMM D DDD — although one could quibble over the typography. However, the 
> display shows “SYNC” for a couple of seconds each hour while the NTP update 
> occurs, which would be disconcerting if it happens when a presenter/engineer 
> is in the midst of joining/cutting away from external program sources.
> What have we overlooked?
> 
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