On 11/22/19 2:29 PM, Hal Murray wrote:

[email protected] said:
I like the idea of inserting attenuation until the SNR or Cn values start to
go down.  That may be the most practical solution.

Inserting attenuation is a good trick for the tool box.  It is also used to
measure error rates on fiber links.

With a reasonable fiber setup, the error rate is so low that it is hard to
measure.

I don't know that this is the case all the time. On radio links, the kind of coding affects the BER vs Eb/No curve - and there's a variety of impairments that have the top part of the curve looking ok, and the low BER part looking funny.

Figure 6 in this report (figure attached) shows this problem - "BER Flaring"
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140008859

Granted, that example is because there was a bug in the implementation of the receiver software, however it can happen on other systems, due to various non-ideal implementation aspects.


 At low error rates, there is a simple relation between signal/noise
and error rate.  So insert enough attenuation until you can easily measure the
error rate, then compute what it would be without the attenuation.


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