OTOH, you could build a simple Colpitts
oscillator and see where it oscillates.
That's what they did back in the dark
ages.
Any time nut should be up for that.
Rick N6RK
On 2/27/2020 5:35 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote:
Hi
Ok, so just to run the math:
5 MHz / 2.9 = 1.724 MHz
If the Q at the fundamental is 500K (a wild guess) then 1.724 MHz / 500,000 =
3.4 Hz
In a world where a synthesized sweeper *might* be stepping in 10Hz steps,
that’s an
easy one to miss.
Bob
On Feb 26, 2020, at 11:40 PM, Bernd Neubig <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Gerhard,
I am rather sure that it is a 5 MHz 3rd overtone crystal.
the resistance should be in the 80 to 110 Ohm range and Q about 1.5 million.
You can see the resonance without ringing in a span of 100 Hz or smaller with a
sweep time of 10 sec minimum.
See attached the response of a 5 MHz SC3 crystal in HC-40/U package.
Indeed the 5.45 MHz is the B-mode which has a temperature coefficient of -30
ppm/K
Because the crystal blank has a plano-convex shape. The overtones are quite
far away from 3 times or 5 times the fundamental mode. 3rd overtone is about
(rough guess) 2.9 time of fundamental mode.
To find them you must really carefully sweep around a few 10 to 100 kHz span
with slow sweep time a narrow bandwidth
Regards
Bernd
DK1AG
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To get a first impression, I soldered the crystal to an SMA plug and put it on
an
R&S ZVB-8 network analyzer and measured S11. I could see the 5 MHz resonance
as a 15 dB dip. There was also a resonance at 5.45 and a smaller one another
90 KHz
higher. the +10% suggest that it is an SC cut.
But I could not see anything at 1 or 1.6666 MHz, so it should be a fundamental
crystal?
Is that common?
I made most measurements at room temperature. I can turn the hot air solder
station down to 91°C which is not far away from the crystal's 87.7°C
inflection point, and I could see some variation on the 5.45 MHz resonance vs.
temp.
I must build a fixture for the hot air because the sweep time at 1 Hz bandwidth
is close to eternal.
Is the un-harmonicity (???) between fundamental and overtones stronger with
SC-cuts
than normal AT? I also could not see anything at 15 MHz. Next I'll make a board
for the PI fixture as described by Bernd Neubig in his crystal cookbook.
BTW I could see some more dips with >= 10 Hz resolution. I hope that does not
mean
that the ZVB needs service.
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