Paul S. wrote

"The pots on the digital counter and its actually quite small. The 3 leads all fit into an area about the size of a pencil eraser."

Yeah, I know what you mean. I had assumed the pot in question was one of the more modern, fairly compact ten-turn helipots, that are about an inch diameter and length (body size), as opposed to the really big old-school ones (about 2" D and L). There is at least one style even smaller, about 1/2" D x 1" L. These are true helipots, built with a helical mandrel carrying many turns of fine resistance wire. Below this size range, I don't know if a helical pot structure can be built practically, so it's possible that these small clock face style ones may be more similar to the small multi-turn trimmer pots, with a short, straight mandrel, and the wiper driven linearly by a worm-screw mechanism. The difference in construction has a huge effect on available resolution. A helipot will have one loop of mandrel for each shaft turn, so its effective length is quite large, compared to a short, straight element, with gear reduction to provide multiple turns.

Regarding the 5065A, I suppose the clock style pot was for saving space, with the pot actually inside the knob and counting assembly, and hardly anything behind the panel - pretty slick. I think I still have somewhere the actual pot from the 5065A carcass I got many years ago (used to build Z3801A into), and I just found a few of probably the same kind, that I had collected over the years. The whole front is a knob about 3/4" D x 1" L, with a clock face (except 10 vs 12 points) readout in the tip. The back looks like a standard 3/8" D mounting shank, with only the pot terminals sticking out.

So, it's possible that they managed to squeeze a helical pot mechanism and readout in there, but it could be something else. I've never had any of these apart (which probably requires destruction), so don't know what's in there. One way I could picture it working, is that the knob itself is the wiper carrier, shaped internally with the right screw pitch. The mandrel could then be wrapped around an inner structure, and the readout mechanism in the center and tip. Another option is that it could be helical, but not necessarily ten full turns-worth - maybe five turns, and 2:1 mechanical reduction, and so on.

I think these kinds likely are still made, so data sheets may describe or show what's inside.

Ed

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