I know with the CC2420 radio, the payload size you select does not
affect how many bytes are actually transmitted over RF.  I'm not sure
about the CC1000 though.

I use a payload size of 90, but if I send 4 bytes of payload, only
MSG_HEADER_SIZE + MSG_FOOTER_SIZE (FCF) + payload len bytes are transmitted.

Cheers,
Matt

Vinai Sundaram wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Thank you for your response and the graphs attached. Can you explain
> the experimental setup used to obtain the results? Specifically, is
> this the throughput seen at the application layer ( packets that
> passed CRC Check)? How many motes were used in the experiment and were
> they competing for the radio?
>
> Regards,
> Vinai.
>
> David Moss wrote:
>
>> Hi Vinai,
>> I'm interested in this topic as well, and I have no answer as to why 29
>> bytes was chosen, but I've found that the optimal payload size
>> depends on
>> what type of environment your network exists within.  With any radio,
>> if you
>> increase the available data length you're effectively decreasing the
>> packet
>> header:data ratio.  By increasing the data length as much as possible,
>> you're going to increase your data throughput to its maximum - in ideal
>> cases.  This is because it takes less header information per data
>> information to transmit, and because on some radios (CC1000) the
>> radio kicks
>> back and forth between Tx->Rx->Tx between every packet which takes an
>> extra
>> 512 uS per back-to-back packet.  So by decreasing the number of
>> transmitted
>> packets while still getting the same amount of data through, you're
>> obviously going to increase throughput.
>>
>> However, if your network is in a noisy environment, then there's more
>> chance
>> for the packet to get corrupted during transmission.  In this case,
>> it will
>> take longer to recover that packet because of its length - instead of
>> losing
>> only a little bit of data, you're losing a lot of data.  And this is
>> what I
>> think your question is about - what's the nominal packet length that
>> minimizes the effects of noise while maximizing throughput?  It's a
>> design
>> problem.
>>
>> I'm sure this can be simulated with some kind of packet success rate
>> probability for various environments, but it may be difficult to port
>> that
>> over to the real world because the packet success rate in your network
>> environment may change over time, even by the minute.  The best
>> answer I can
>> give you is, increase your TOS_Msg payload length as much as you're
>> comfortable with while leaving enough free RAM on the mote to execute
>> the
>> app, and run it in the environment you plan to deploy in.  If it's
>> indoors
>> with tight spacing, max out the payload.  If it's outdoors on the ground
>> with wider spacing, might as well keep the payload size pretty modest.
>>
>> The ultimate solution would involve some kind of back-end
>> architecture that
>> provides the ability to recommend how much data the payload of the
>> current
>> packet should be loaded with to maximize throughput based on an RSSI
>> or LQI
>> or something, and also provide the ability to increase/decrease the
>> transmit
>> power automatically to save battery on motes that are sitting near each
>> other in a noiseless environment.
>>
>> I've attached several spreadsheets showing the packet throughput for
>> mica-
>> mote types with varying payload sizes.  Noise was not a factor in any of
>> these tests.
>>
>> -david
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vinai
>> Sundaram
>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:39 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [Tinyos-help] Rationale for 29 bytes payload
>>
>>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> I need to send more than 29 bytes for the application I am working
>> on. However, I do not want to increase the payload size so much that
>> it will reduce the throughput of the network. Is "29 bytes" found to
>> give close to optimal throughput? Are there any empirical/analytical
>> studies that suggest a payload size range that would give
>> near-optimal throughput? I didn't come across the reason for 29 bytes
>> in any of the documents.
>>
>> Thank you for your help,
>> Vinai.
>>
>>  
>>
>
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