Hi all,

Thanks for help! But i have one more question, in tinyOs CAP, CFP and GTS
are implement? if are, how can i use?

Thanks,

Best regards.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Pablo Marcos Oltra <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thank you very much for your response Aitor. I had two motes running for 3
> days with BO=14 and I had no problems of sync using the TestSync
> application. Not even one beacon was missed. This was the first test I ran
> to check if I was about to have clock drift problems in later experiments.
> I'm currently using channels 19 and 20 because in my building there are just
> a few spare channels to use (20  are mainly being used right now). Besides,
> I always set up BO and SO < 7, using usually 5, but not even that way works
> properly.
>
> Anyway, I don't really know if it has something to do with using timers,
> but I have noticed that the losing of the sync is kind of periodically. I
> have noticed today as well that both devices lose sync even if they don't
> even start at the same time (I was hoping a different periodicity for each
> one), but they both were losing the same beacons. Hence, I'm thinking right
> now about the possibility that it has something to do with the coordinator,
> cause the other two devices are not even tx packets, just trying to me sync
> with the coordinator.
>
> I sent another mail a few days ago to the tinyos-help list cause I thought
> that maybe the problems were cause because I was using printf to debug the
> application, but without using it is losing sync as well, so... now I'm the
> one that is lost :S.
>
> Could you please check if the application attached is working for you? It
> is just the original TestData but with a Timer that once is fired sends the
> packets. When I try that, the device loses sync after a while.
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
> Regards,
>   Pablo
>
> 2010/11/18 Aitor Hernandez <[email protected]>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We have been using this implementation for several wireless process and we
>> made a performance evaluation of it. We haven't found any problem with the
>> timers (used to start a transmission, or something else). The idea that
>> comes up is that maybe there are some interferences on the same channel that
>> you are using or you have a high beacon order.
>>
>> As we have seen, if we receive packets on the period where we are waiting
>> the beacon, we could miss them. Moreover I've just realized that by using a
>> high beacon order (> 10) some motes could have problems to synchronize with
>> the beacon. I guess that I could be due to the clock drift, but Jan can
>> clarify this point.
>>
>> What I recommend you, is to use a BO=6 and a SO =5,6 with this values you
>> shouldn't have any problems.... Furthermore, try to change the channel and
>> see if the problem persists. Channels between 22 and 26 don't have any
>> overlapping with WiFi channels.
>>
>> At the moment, there is nothing else in my mind. I hope it will work for
>> you.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>> On 18 November 2010 16:27, Pablo Marcos Oltra <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I found the error and the UserButton is now working in my test
>>> application. So, I wait for 3 nodes to have synchronization and then I push
>>> all of their buttons and they start tx data. However, after a while, they
>>> lose sync, as always, and I don't know why.
>>>
>>> Aitor, have you ever used timers that once they're fired they send the
>>> data (for example, to send data every minute or so)? Cause I'm having
>>> trouble with that (even with just one device), and don't if that could be
>>> something related with the problem you told us a few mails ago.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>   Pablo
>>>
>>> 2010/11/18 Aitor Hernandez <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> In my case, I just program all the motes at the same time by using "&"
>>>> function on the shell, something like:
>>>>
>>>> $ make tmote
>>>> $ make tmote reinstall,1 bsl,/dev/ttyUSB1 & make tmote
>>>> reinstall,2 bsl,/dev/ttyUSB2
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I've been using the UserButton for some time, and I've never
>>>> noticed the behaviour you explain, with or without TKN154_DEBUG enabled.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>  Aitor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18 November 2010 13:28, Pablo Marcos Oltra <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> May I add other option to the Aitor ones?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought about letting the motes synchronize first, and then start
>>>>> sending packets once they're all synchronized. How could you do this? I 
>>>>> have
>>>>> tried doing that with the telosb user button, hence once you pressed it 
>>>>> you
>>>>> change a flag that starts sending packets. The problem is that I have just
>>>>> been able to do that with the TKN154_DEBUG enabled, otherwise, the event
>>>>> void Notify.notify( button_state_t state ) is not working.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see an example of how to use the telosb user button in
>>>>> $TOSROOT/apps/tests/telosb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>   Pablo
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/18 Jan Hauer <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes - I can reproduce the problem and also believe that it is due to
>>>>>> wrong (beacon) timestamps. will look into it and try to fix it asap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Aitor Hernandez <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi guys,
>>>>>> > I've seen this problem with TKN15.4. It is possible to synchronize N
>>>>>> nodes
>>>>>> > with TKN15.4 the problem is that they need to start the app at the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> > time. From my experience I've realized that the problem comes from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > cc2420_tkn154 (maybe it happens with the default cc2420
>>>>>> implementation as
>>>>>> > well).
>>>>>> > If we have a network with N nodes running and transmitting data
>>>>>> between
>>>>>> > them, when we try to add another node we could have this problem. As
>>>>>> far as
>>>>>> > we have the radio enabled for reception for a long period (Scan
>>>>>> period), the
>>>>>> > cc2420 receives the beacons but data packets as well. Once it
>>>>>> detects that
>>>>>> > the received packet is a beacon, it sets the timestamp, but
>>>>>> sometimes the
>>>>>> > timestamp is wrong, due to the data packets, and then we lost the
>>>>>> next
>>>>>> > beacons.
>>>>>> > Possible solutions:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Check the CC2420ReceiveP.nc and the m_timestamp_queue. I guess that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > problem should be there. I did some modifications on
>>>>>> > the CC2420ReceiveP.nc to solve this problem, but I haven't test it
>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>> > If we lost the synchronization, scan again with MLME_SCAN.request().
>>>>>> It is a
>>>>>> > "fake" solution, because the problem is still there, but for some
>>>>>> app it
>>>>>> > will work.
>>>>>> > Start the nodes at the same time. It is not possible in a real
>>>>>> deployment.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Aitor Hernandez
>>>>>> > KTH | Automatic Control
>>>>>> > Research engineer
>>>>>> > Stockholm
>>>>>> > Phone:  +46 (0)704 26 87 99
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>>>> KTH | Automatic Control
>>>> Research engineer
>>>> Stockholm
>>>> Phone:  +46 (0)704 26 87 99
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aitor Hernandez
>> KTH | Automatic Control
>> Research engineer
>> Stockholm
>> Phone:  +46 (0)704 26 87 99
>>
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