Steve- You might find this of interest. There were many other posts on this thread, but I think this one is of the most interest.
Claudia At 08:12 AM 10/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello- > >Let me add my 2 cents here. Yes, if an institution is receiving federal >funding, it needs an IRB (and is it is good idea to have one anyway for a >myriad of reasons). However, a huge dilemma is brewing, especially among >social scientists. Based on a few cases of GROSS failure to properly manage >research programs that result in harm to participants, some schools have >been heavily sanctioned by the feds, whose policies now do have some sharp >teeth. However, the prevailing portrait of the ORI as a predator, looking >for any deviation of federal policy so that it can yank the institutions' >research program is way, way, way overblown. The fallout from the >prevailing image is that IRBs are becoming paranoid, afraid to approve any >study that has an ounce of potential controversy. This hits the social >scientists especially hard because much of what we do is controversial in >someone's eyes. The cycle continues. Social scientists are increasingly >resentful of IRBs and their members (quite a literature on this already), >charging, among other things, arrogance, incompetence, anti-science bias, >and the like. And the truth is that many IRB members are neither truly "up" >on federal policy and/or they have never, themselves, done any empirical >research. (At my last university one IRB chair was a history professor.) >So, now you often hear of a real antagonism between IRBs and >investigators--not a healthy situation for science. I have an ORI grant to >study this problem. Data are still raw, but I will post a summary when >available. I think you will find it interesting. > >Patricia Keith-Spiegel, PhD > > > >on 10/15/02 10:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> >> Marie makes a very good point about the issue of federal funding. Of course, >> it >> can be a wide issue because while a particular study which is not funded might >> be found in violation, if there is any federal funding AT ALL coming into an >> institution, it can all be frozen--that is a violation in a nonfunded study >> can >> result in suspension of funds to a funded study within an institution. >> >> In addition, while it's probably true that you only have to follow the CFR to >> maintain federal funding, I think that in our litiginous society it is not a >> bad idea, anyway, to follow the federal codes. It certainly provides one with >> a >> good cushion in case of legal problems! The problem, generally, is that many >> universities ARE being sued over what may seem like relatively innocuous >> studies--even survey studies. >> >> The whole brou ha ha, as I understand it, that nearly shut down Virginia >> Commonwealth University, started with an objection by a relative of a subject, >> to a couple of survey items, from a questionnaire that was part of a larger >> study, and from there snowballed into an avalanche. >> >> So, I'd still say that to follow the federal codes is probably a smart >> idea.... >> >> Annette >> >> Quoting Marie Helweg-Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> The original note from David Daniel does not indicate whether his >>> university is receiving federal funding for human subjects research. The >>> federal guidelines (that Annette provides a link to) only have to be >>> followed IF the university is required to follow federal IRB guidelines >>> which (as I understand it) they only have to do if they receive federal >>> funding for research with human subjects. Perhaps David can expand here: >>> are you asking what the federal guidelines require or are you asking >>> what would be good for a voluntary IRB? >>> Marie >>> >>> Annette Taylor wrote: >>> >>>> I think that federal codes ALWAYS supercede any "local" guidelines, >>>> including APA guidelines. Note the difference between a "code" >>>> and a "guideline". >>>> >>>> You should go to >>>> http://ohrp.osophs.dhhs.gov/humansubjects/guidance/45cfr46.htm >>>> where all of the details are spelled out precisely, including the >>>> composition of the committee. And yes, you do need a community member... >>>> >>>> annette >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, David B. Daniel, Ph.D. wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think this has been discussed before but: What is the optimal >>> membership >>>>> make-up of a human subjects review board? We have a proposal to include a >>>>> community member, an administrator and several faculty. Just wondering. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> \\|// >>>>> (o o) >>>>> --------oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------------- >>>>> >>>>> David B. Daniel, Ph.D. >>>>> Department of Psychology Associate Research Scientist >>>>> University of Maine at Farmington New England Research Institutes >>>>> 234 Main Street >>>>> Farmington, ME 04938 >>>>> 207-778-7411 >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Annette Taylor, Ph. 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