As a former graduate of a Counselling Psychology
Department, I can relate to what Rod is saying. I
remember having to study all these approaches, which
left me with little in terms of tools to deal with
clients. I had to wait until my degree was over to
actually get out there and study what I believed was
more useful. I took on to read on Solution Focussed
therapy, and have found it to be very straight-forward
and effective.

I like your idea of a two part course, where the
classics are taught, and then more actual forms of
therapy. Going through the course, I also felt like
the materials had been washed way too many times, and
it felt empty, void of content.

Perhaps it's time for a new counselling book to be
written? Anyone out there interested?


Jean-Marc






 --- "Hetzel, Rod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I
think Nancy is on target with her points. 
> Cognitive neuroscientists
> have made a lot of contributions to our
> understanding of human behavior
> and I often find that students in my Abnormal
> Psychology classes have a
> poor understanding of brain-behavior relationships. 
> This thread is
> particularly interesting to me as I've lately been
> thinking about other
> ways to teach my Theories of Counseling course. 
> Most of the
> undergraduate-level texts in this area focus on
> theories that have very
> little to no empirical support.  The typical text in
> this area usually
> covers:
>  
> Freudian therapy
> Neo-Freudian (Jung to Horney to Kohut) therapy
> Adlerian therapy
> Existential therapy
> Person-centered therapy
> Gestalt therapy
> Transactional analysis
> Reality therapy
> Behavior therapy
> Cognitive-behavior therapy
> Family systems therapy
> Feminist therapy
>  
> Of these theories, some have received a bunch of
> empirical support
> (behavioral and cognitive-behavioral, in particular)
> whereas others have
> very little (for instance, existential and gestalt
> therapies).
> Moreover, the layout of these texts seems to be
> different than the
> current empirical trends in clinical psychology that
> are focusing on
> common therapeutic factors (therapeutic alliance,
> client expectations,
> etc.) and the development of specific treatment
> approaches for specific
> disorders (exposure and response prevention for OCD,
> CBT or IPT for
> depression, etc.).
>  
> Does it make sense to teach our students theories
> that have a place in
> the history of psychology, but that are being
> replaced by more
> contemporary approaches?  Personally, I am very fond
> of existential and
> Adlerian therapies and consistently find them to be
> helpful when working
> with clients.  However, when I am working with a
> client experiencing
> panic attacks, an ethical approach is to use a
> treatment that has been
> shown to be efficacious through empirical research. 
> On the other hand,
> there is an art as well as a science to therapy and,
> like most of life,
> our clients usually don't fit into nice little
> diagnostic categories.
> Having knowledge and skills in approaches that may
> not be
> empirically-supported is often extremely useful in
> therapy.  As Irvin
> Yalom (2002) notes in his most recent text:
>  
> "...non-validated therapies are not invalidated
> therapies.  Research, if
> it is to be funded, must have a clean design
> comparable to research
> testing drug efficacy.  Design demands include
> "clean" patients (that
> is, patients with a single disorder without symptoms
> of any other
> diagnostic groups--a type of patient uncommonly seen
> in clinical
> practice), a brief therapy intervention, and a
> replicable, preferably
> manualized (that is, capable of being reduced to a
> step-by-step written
> manual) treatment mode.  Such a design heavily
> favors CBT and excludes
> most traditional therapies that rely on intimate
> (unscripted)
> therapist-patient relationship forged in genuineness
> and focusing on the
> here-and-now as it spontaneously evolves...Analysis
> of results of
> empirically-validated therapy (see Weston and
> Morrison) indicates far
> less impressive outcomes than has generally been
> thought.  There is
> little follow-up at the end of one year and almost
> none at two years.
> The early positive response of empirically-validated
> therapies (which is
> found in any therapeutic intervention) has led to a
> distorted picture of
> efficacy.  The gains are not maintained and the
> percentage of patients
> who remain improved is surprisingly low.  There is
> no evidence that
> therapist adherence to manuals positively correlates
> to improvement--in
> fact, there is evidence to the contrary.  In
> general, the implication of
> the empirically-validated therapy research has been
> extended far beyond
> the scientific evidence." (pp. 223-224)   
>  
> Despite these controversies, I've been thinking
> about alternative ways
> of teaching a Theories of Counseling course.  The
> ideal format would be
> a two-course sequence.  The first course could teach
> the traditional
> theoretical approaches and techniques.  The second
> course could focus on
> empirically-validated therapies (although these
> types of approaches are
> given some attention in Abnormal Psychology
> courses).  In the meantime,
> it would be great if we had a text that gave more
> attention to
> empirically-validated treatments.
>  
> How do others on the list teach theories of
> counseling?
>  
> Rod
>  
>  
> Reference:  
> Yalom, I. D. (2002).  The gift of therapy:  An open
> letter to a new
> generation of therapists and their patients.  New
> York:  HarperCollins. 
>  
> ______________________________________________
> Roderick D. Hetzel, Ph.D.
> Department of Psychology
> LeTourneau University
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>  
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> 
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>       Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:10 AM
>       To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
>       Subject: Kohlberg et al
>       
>       
>       It was written:
>       
>       "I wonder if there are differences of opinions on
> this issue
> among listserve members along the lines of
> professional training.  At
> the risk of forcing a dichotomy that doesn't exist
> (some of us, myself
> included, are trained as scientist-practitioners),
> are there differences
> on this issue between the the "experimental"
> TIPSters and the "clinical"
> TIPSters?"
>       
>       For the record, I started off as a clinical
> psychologist.
> Although I understand that some of Freud forms a
> basis for useful
> theory, I am far more impressed by the contributions
> of cogntive
> neuroscientists than those of object-relations
> theorists. Impressed in
> that these provide me with useful ways to understand
> human behavior and
> experience in a way that very little of the old
> school, pre-scientific
> psychology does. If Freud made great contributions
> to Western culture
> but relatively small ones to psychology (at least
> the future of
> psychology) maybe his work should be taught in other
> disciplines. 
>       
>       I also know plenty of instructors who don't teach
> the brain
> because it is somewhat more difficult to learn and
> communicate while
> Freud remains "sexy" and conceptually simple. I am
> not saying that this
> is why some are defending him here on the list; I am
> mentioning it
> because I am deeply  disturbed that I need to teach
> brain basics in more
> advanced psychology classes to students who passed
> psychology 1. These
> students also have much greater knowledge of Freud
> than the brain. They
> are not being adequately prepared for upper division
> work, IMO.
>       
>       Nancy Melucci
>       LBCC
>       
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Yukon College
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