I took your words out of context? In what context is the word "abusing"
meant in the following quote?
> > "....  even in a minimum risk study you are abusing your participants if
you
> > are asking them to give up their time and energy on a useless task."

Certainly you do not mean abuse such as that experienced by recent Iraqi
prisoners. It seems to me that "IRB speak" throws around such terms as
"abuse" and "risk" and "ethics" in such a shoot-from-the-hip manner as to
make them meaningless.

Bill Scott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Annette Taylor, Ph. D."
> I am probably past my quota but now I am getting offended. Clearly you
took my
> statement completely out of context and used it [to] add more fuel to a
fire which
> did not need it. Your question is absurd if the entire context of this
> discussion was in place.
>
> Annette
>Quoting Bill Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Annette Taylor wrote:
>
> "....  even in a minimum risk study you are abusing your participants if
you
> are asking them to give up their time and energy on a useless task."
> ----------
>
> Does this mean an IRB should not approve a replication of Martin Orne's
> classic demonstration of experimental demand characteristics where he
asked
> participants to add up columns of numbers and then tear up their work over
> and over for hours on end? He meant it to be as useless a task as
possible,
> and he wanted to see how long they would do it just because he asked them
to
> do it for an experiment. Was he abusing his participants?
>
> see http://journals.apa.org/prevention/volume5/pre0050035a.html
>


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