Dave wrote:

Grading on a point basis instead of a curve makes excellent sense where cheating is a result of competition, and this concept can be presented to the students in such as way as to discourage cheating.  (Although cheating will still be done by those who are too lazy or limited in time to prepare their own work.)  But still one needs to establish the point totals needed to earn each possible grade, and this has to come from some sort of normative data--essentially a curve based on initial classes.  To arbitrarilly use 90%=A, 80%=B, etc., or some similar set of criteria, would ignore relevant factors like difficulty of the testing material and degree of preparation provided by the instructor.
 
    True--but while it may be necessary to normalize the curve for a test, it isn't necessary to do so for a class. An instructor can base the score of an individual exam on a curve, yet still grade the class on a point system. If a test is assigned a standard point value, then the points earned by the test are determined by a curve (it may be a 50 point test and result--after normalizing--in 30 answers correct giving 40 points, etc.), the students still have less incentive to cheat and more to work together to help each other learn. But if the course, itself, is curved than the students are forced to compete with each other to be in the upper part of the curve instead. Each student who does well raises the curve higher for the entire course and the result is to encourage cheating.
 
Incidently, note that Turnitin.com doesn't catch everything, and it can be foiled by changing words so no string of copied material exceeds 7 words.
    True--but since JCC doesn't subscribe to TurnItIn anyway (note that in my revision to my syllabus I stated that papers "may, at the discretion of the instructor, be submitted to TurnItIn.com for evaluation," not that they _would_ be submitted. Since I would have to pay out of my own pocket for any evaluations done by TurnItIt, I suspect that's an option I'll only exercise if I'm certain of cheating and need absolute proof to cover myself before reporting it. The student who _expects_ to be checked by TurnItIn.com is just as unlikely to cheat as the one who _knows_ he or she will be checked by them. Of course, I teach at a community college where most students are as computer sophisticated as those at major Universities, so they tend to be more likely to assume that a service such as TurnItIn.com is even more accurate than it actually is.
 
    Rick
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Rick Adams
 
"... and the only measure of your worth and your deeds will be the love you leave behind when you're gone."
 
 -Fred Small, J.D., "Everything Possible"
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