In response to my post "Teachers: the Archimedean Lever for Elevating Public Schools" Hake (2005a), David Berliner (2005a) wrote:

"I served on the NAE . . .[National Academy of Education <http://www.nae.nyu.edu/>] . . . report team. Its a pretty good document. Not as revolutionary as the Flexner report for med, but maybe as important if it takes hold. On the issue of teacher testing you might find the following. . .[Berliner (2005b)]. . . worth something. It is in sync with what the NAE recommends."

With regard to Berliner (2005b), in my post "Re: Measuring Teaching Performance" [Hake (2005b)], I wrote [bracketed by lines "HHHHHHHHHHH. . . .":

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The above pre/post testing recommendation appears to conflict with the opinion of psychologist David Berliner (2005b). Berliner writes:

". . . .measurement of [teachers'] success in promoting learning through 'pay for performance' or 'value-added' assessments is so filled with psychometric problems that no current system is acceptable for assessing this dimension of teacher quality."

But the evident success of physics education researchers in the use of pre/post testing to gauge student learning and thereby improve introductory courses [most notably at Harvard [Crouch & Mazur (2002) and MIT (Dori & Belcher (2004)] seems to contradict Berliner's claim, suggesting that psychometric problems may not be as serious [Hake (2004a), Scriven (2004)] as many believe. . .[see e.g., Suskie (2004)].
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As an aside, it should be realized that the pre/post testing being done in physics makes use of reasonably well matched control groups - just the traditional introductory courses, and has been carried out by many different researchers in many different locations with the virtually identical results - about a two-standard deviation superiority of "interactive engagement" methods over "traditional methods" in promoting students' understanding of Newtonian mechanics. Where are Berliner's psychometric problems?

It's not clear to me how Berliner can state that "It. . . . [the claimed "Near Impossibility of Testing For Teacher Quality" (Berliner, 2005b)]. . . is in sync with what the NAE recommends," since, as I understand it, NAE is recommending that Congress pay for the development of a national teacher test **using performance to judge accomplishment.**

Three questions:

(a) How does the NAE define "teacher performance"?

(b) How does the NAE propose to measure "teacher performance"?

(c) Is the "teacher performance" to be measured somehow divorced from the "teacher quality" that Berliner claims is nearly impossible to measure?

For a recent book on value added assessment see Lissitz (2005). I have not seen the book but I expect that the contributors - evidently mostly from the PEP (Psychology/Education/Psychometric) community - are all either oblivious or dismissive of the pre/post testing research being carried out in such fields as astronomy, economics, biology, chemistry, computer science, engineering, and physics [see, e.g. Hake (2004a,b,c; 2005c)].

Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
24245 Hatteras Street, Woodland Hills, CA 91367
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<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake>
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REFERENCES
Berliner, D. 2005a. "Teachers: the Archimedean Lever for Elevating Public Schools" TeachingEdPsych post of 3 Jun 2005 22:24:59-0700; online at <https://listserv.temple.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0506&L=teaching_edpsych&T=0&F=&S=&X=37DF86118237021F98&Y=rrhake%40earthlink.net&P=200>. The encyclopedic URL indicates that TeachingEdPsych is one of the few discussion lists that denies archive access to non-subscribers. However, it takes only a few minutes to subscribe by following the simple directions at <http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/teaching_edpsych.html> / "Join or leave the list (or change settings)" where "/" means "click on." If you're busy, then subscribe using the "NOMAIL" option under "Miscellaneous." Then, as a subscriber, you may access the archives and/or post messages at any time, while receiving NO MAIL from the list!

Berliner, D. 2005b. "The Near Impossibility of Testing For Teacher Quality," Journal of Teacher Education 56(3): 205-213, online free to subscribers ($25 for non-subscribers) at <http://jte.sagepub.com/content/vol56/issue3/>.

Crouch, C.H. & E. Mazur. 2001. "Peer Instruction: Ten years of experience and results," Am. J. Phys. 69: 970-977; online at <http://mazur-www.harvard.edu/library.php>, search "All Education Areas" for author "Crouch" (without the quotes).

Dori, Y.J. & J. Belcher, J. 2004. "How Does Technology-Enabled Active Learning Affect Undergraduate Students' Understanding of Electromagnetism Concepts?" To appear in The Journal of the Learning Sciences 14(2), online at
<http://web.mit.edu/jbelcher/www/TEALref/TEAL_Dori&Belcher_JLS_10_01_2
004.pdf> (1 MB).

Hake, R.R. 2004a. "Re: pre-post testing in assessment," online at
<http://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0408&L=pod&P=R9135&I=-3>. Post of 19 Aug 2004 13:56:07-0700 to AERA-D, AERA-J, EDSTAT-L, EVALTALK, PhysLrnR, and POD.

Hake, R.R. 2004b. "Re: Measuring Content Knowledge", online at
<http://lists.asu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0403&L=aera-d&T=0&O=D&P=5436>.
Post of 14 Mar 2004 16:29:47-0800 to ASSESS, Biopi-L, Chemed-L, EvalTalk, Physhare, Phys-L, PhysLnrR, POD, and STLHE-L; later sent to AERA-D with a few corrections where it appears at
<http://lists.asu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0403&L=aera-d&P=R3625&I=-3>.

Hake, R.R. 2004c. "Re: Measuring Content Knowledge", online at
<http://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0403&L=pod&O=A&P=17167>. Post of 15 Mar 2004 14:29:59-0800 to ASSESS, EvalTalk, Phys-L, PhysLrnR, & POD.

Hake, R.R. 2005a. "Teachers: the Archimedean Lever for Elevating Public Schools," online at <http://lists.asu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0506&L=aera-l&T=0&F=&S=&P=160>. Post of 3 Jun 2005 17:18:11-0700 to AERA-C, AERA-G, AERA-GSL, AERA-H, AERA-J, AERA-K, AERA-L, AP-physics, ASSESS, Biopi-L, Chemed-L, EvalTalk, Math-Learn, Phys-L, PhysLrnR, Physhare, POD, STLHE-L, TeachingEdPsych, and TIPS.

Hake, R.R. 2005b. "Re: Measuring Teaching Performance," online at
<http://lists.asu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0505&L=aera-j&T=0&O=A&P=962>. Post of 13/14 May 2005 to AERA-C, AERA-D, AERA-J, AERA-K, AERA-L, ASSESS, Biopi-L, Chemed-L, EvalTalk, Math-Learn, Phys-L, PhysLrnR Physhare, POD, & STLHE-L, & TeachingEdPsych.

Hake, R.R. 2005c. "Carnegie Scholar Backs Pre/post Testing, online at <http://lists.asu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0503&L=aera-d&P=R3965&I=-3>. Post of 24 Mar 2005 01:23:45-0800 to AERA-C, AERA-D, AERA-J, AERA-K, ASSESS, EDSTAT-L, EVALTALK, PhysLrnR, POD, and STLHE-L.

Scriven, M. 2004. "Re: pre- post testing in assessment," AERA-D post of 15 Sep 2004 19:27:14-0400; online at
<http://lists.asu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0409&L=aera-d&T=0&F=&S=&P=1952>.

Suskie, L. 2004. "Re: pre- post testing in assessment," ASSESS post 19 Aug 2004 08:19:53-0400; online at
<http://lsv.uky.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0408&L=assess&D=0&T=0&P=7492&F=P>.

Lissitz, R.W., ed. 2005. "Value Added Models in Education: Theory and Applications." JAM Press. Contents and ordering information are at the Journal of Applied Measurement web site <http://www.jampress.org> / "JAM Press Books!" where "/" means "click on."


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Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
24245 Hatteras Street, Woodland Hills, CA 91367
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