RE: Research ethics question: in loco parentis permission

[Rick Froman]

The difference between Traci’s case and Annette’s case is that evidently the researcher’s received approval from the IRB. I don’t think that the journal review process is the place to be bringing up issues that were reviewed by the IRB.   Rick     Dr. Rick Froman Professor of Psychology John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR  72761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (479) 524-7295 http://www.jbu.edu/academics/sbs/faculty/rfroman.asp From: Marie Helweg-Larsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:54 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: Re: Research ethics question: in loco parentis permission   Hi Annette I didn't say that researchers conducting oral history projects do not need safeguards and informed consent (of course they have to follow ethical guidelines). However, as a general rule oral history is exempt for IRB overview. http://omega.dickinson.edu/organizations/oha/org_irb.html I only know this because Dickinson College is home to the Oral History Association and the person who was crucial in the process of getting this rule passed (Linda Shopes) sits as the external member of our IRB. Anyway, I'm not sure this is really pertinent to Traci's case since  I doubt the research involved oral histories. To me the important part of Traci's case is whether a study that has received IRB approval should be subject to additional ethical examination/review by reviewers. Marie Annette Taylor, Ph. D. wrote: The blanket statement regarding oral research is not quite accurate; see my previous previous post. When there is a potential for danger to the oral participants and they can lose their anonymity--i.e., can be identified by the content of their oral content, then there must be safeguards and informed consent put in place. Again, this was the case in the dissertation I had to fail to approve when AFTER the study was done and going for publication did the researcher contact us. I sought legal advice as well as guidance from the OTRP folks in Washington DC on this at the time. The person obtained oral histories on racially and politically charged issues with no protection or pretense of hiding their identifies, and no informed consent on file. Each case is individual and I only mention this in case someone reading the post encodes the blanket statement. Annette ps: I don't think Traci ever mentioned if there was an IRB review or not..... Quoting Marie Helweg-Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Several TIPSters have already noted exceptions to the parental consent rule. Also, all oral research is exempt for IRB overview although the oral researcher of course has to follow his/her discipline's ethical rules. So going back to Traci's question: do the authors report obtaining IRB approval for the study? If the authors have obtained permission I'm not sure that it is the reviewers job to second guess an IRB board (IRB boards also don't agree). As a reviewer I think I would mention the concern (or ask for more information) and let the decision rest with the editor. Marie Annette Taylor, Ph. D. wrote: But that rule doesn't stand once you want to publicly disseminate the information in the form of a journal article. The only exception I know of is with public observation of children where the PI does not do the observations, but rather there are research assistants who do the observations. If the PI does the observations then you need IRB approval--even if it is only at the exempt level of review. Annette Quoting "Brown, Barbara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Traci, Do the rules vary with the type of research? A colleague suggests that either SRCD or APA guidelines may make exceptions for, say, a teacher who is using her students as the subjects of a study of effective math techniques. --Barbara Barbara Brown Psychology Department Technical Assistant 1116 8th Ave Grinnell College Grinnell, IA 50112 Phone: 641-269-3171 FAX: 641-269-4285 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________ From: Traci Giuliano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:13 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: Re: Research ethics question: in loco parentis permission Mike, Thanks for verifying; this is pretty much what I thought. Would you (and/or other Tipsters) recommend rejecting an otherwise sound manuscript based on this objection? I'd be interested in any opinions on this. Cheers, Traci     Traci, this is almost universally inappropriate (the only exception I know of to     NOT get parental consent is when the child is abused or neglected by     his/her parents or guardians). However, there may be other rare cases     when it's justified, but the local IRB must determine that. As a former IRB     member, I can't think of another context in which I would say that getting     a teacher's permission is enough (although getting a Principal's and     teacher's permission is also likely to be necessary for a school-based     study).     See the national guidelines regarding children and consent at: http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/humansubjects/guidance/45cfr46.htm#46.408     -Mike     ***********************************************     Michael J. Kane     Department of Psychology     P.O. Box 26170     University of North Carolina at Greensboro     Greensboro, NC 27402-6170     Phone: 336.256.1022     Fax: 336.334.5066     NEW WEB PAGE: http://www.uncg.edu/~mjkane/     Traci Giuliano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>     12/09/2005 10:11 AM     Please respond to     "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" <tips@acsun.frostburg.edu>     To     "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" <tips@acsun.frostburg.edu>     cc     Subject     Research ethics question: in loco parentis permission     I've come across more than one occasion in manuscripts I've reviewed     recently that researchers get a school teacher or headmaster's     permission "in loco parentis" for research participants younger than     18. Is this acceptable? Does anyone know APA's stance on this?     Thanks,     Traci     ---     You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]     To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]     --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Department of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --  ********************************************* Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Dickinson College, P.O. Box 1773 Carlisle, PA 17013 Office: (717) 245-1562, Fax: (717) 245-1971 Webpage: www.dickinson.edu/~helwegm ********************************************* --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Department of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ********************************************* Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Dickinson College, P.O. 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