Tim wrote.. I think the Wooster Code says they agree not to use deception to get an extension it doesn't say successfully use deception. :) I personally think the attempt to decieve is enough to violate the college's code.
(SNIP) This lie was not told in any woods and someone did hear it. Thus it seems to me that the sin issue isn't really relevant to us nor necessary as a clear violation was committed by the student in the presence of the faculty member. Aubyn, As you said about Bill, I hope this doesn't come across as a criticism of your position. It is just an interesting discussion. :) Tim Aubyn writes... I guess this gets to the nub of it; I don't think the lie was unsuccessful, I think it was irrelevant. For any functional purpose, I (were I the teacher) did not hear the lie (as opposed to hearing the lie and not being convinced by it). I wonder though, if you were to grant my argument that the paper should not be read regardless, would you still want to formally and officially intervene about the possible dishonesty? I suppose what I am really asking is, how far do you think a teacher's responsibility (or even appropriate role) extends in vigilantly enforcing such virtues as honesty? If a student shows up to take a Final Exam an hour late, and I make the judgment not let them take it or make it up, and then notice that they have crib notes written on their arm that they intended to use to cheat, should I report them to the disciplinary process for dishonesty? Of course I may decide to have an informal conversation with the student about the importance of honesty and integrity, but I guess I'm not sure I would be justified in invoking any official procedure as a consequence for dishonesty that may have been intended but was never actually brought into play. I take anything short of absolute praise of my position as criticism, but I have a pretty high criticism threshold, so it works out. *************************************************************** Aubyn Fulton, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology & Social Work 1 Angwin Ave Angwin, CA 94508 707-965-6536 (office) 707-965-6538 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] *************************************************** --- To make changes to your subscription go to: http://acsun.frostburg.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=tips&text_mode=0&lang=english
