Another example of an IRB out of control. "Mission creep" seems a mild phrase to describe this example.
Marie

Ken Steele wrote:

Annette Taylor, Ph. D. wrote:

Hi Paul, et al:

Most universities like to just follow the federal guidelines so that they don't have to reinvent the wheel and if there is a problem you can always fall back on the lame excuse that you followed the fed guidelines.

As such I don't think there is any real distinction between "approval" or "IRB approval" but what does make a difference is the level of IRB approval. Here it is in a nutshell, as I understand it:

You can have 3 levels of approval
exempt
expedited
full

Exempt does NOT mean that you do nothing; it means that you submit a very brief statement of what you are doing, why the risk is minimal (defined as no greater than that encountered in everyday life--and the feds have a numbering system so you can just say under such and such number guideline) so that benefits outweigh risks (briefly note benefits, which can be indirect in terms of general advancement of scientific knowledge--the need NOT be direct); how many participants over what time frame will be interacted with and you are done. Informed consent is usually not needed in these types of studies because they are usually observations/assessments of people in public places where the observees remain anonymous or surveys with complete anonymity and no sensitive issues where by simply returning the survey signifies consent. This is usually reviewed by a single person. (And it sounds to me that most of the studies mentioned by Jim M. for the science fair fit in here).


Hi Annette:

An "expedited" review at ASU is a full review. Here is a link to the ASU expedited form instructions.

http://www.graduate.appstate.edu/orsp/forms_orsp/irb_exemptreview.pdf

I had my worst IRB encounter over an expedited review. It involved the following situation. A student wanted to complete an undergraduate thesis. He had been an RA on a childplay observational study. The original study had received IRB approval at another university and he had been listed on the original IRB form. His job was to code various play behaviors, enter the data into the dataset and assist in statistical summaries. He came to ASU with the original PI and continued to work on the data set. By this time he had created an anonymized data set. The original PI left ASU and had given him official permission to continue work on the data set. At that point, they had simple frequency counts of the behaviors. We wanted to do something more sophisticated and decided to see if there were any stable n-back transition probabilities (or play sequences).

So I had the student submit a request for an expedited IRB review in which we included the original IRB from the other institution, pointed out that he had been a member of the original lab group with official access to the data and had been given permission to continue work with that data set to further the originally approved goal. Additionally the data set was now anonymized and I couldn't see any indentifying information.

(The data set included information like "Child A runs toward Child B" and the question was whether Child B responded to Child A by running away, running towards Child A, or ignoring Child A.)

The official IRB stance was that we needed to go back to the parents of these children and get consent. We pointed out that this would be very difficult since the data was collected in Colorado from a daycare center that was no longer in operation, that the student had legitimate access to the information, and that the analysis was part of the originally approved project. No go. This was work being done at ASU and now the project needed ASU approval.

It took almost 3 months to work out a compromise. The final solution was to reanonymize the data a second time. I was very proud of that student for persisting under a set of conditions that would have defeated many faculty members.

Ken


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