On 21 Feb 2007 at 23:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I think that the stages of sleep are differing states of consciousness,
> but what about the following, which came up in class today? <snip>
> 
> alpha (awake, relaxed) 
> when taking Benadryl or some other drugs with side effects of 
> drowsiness
> and a change in alertness and 
>   reaction time 
> daydreaming 
> hypnosis 
> meditation 
> jet lag 
> persistent vegetative state 
> coma 
> traumatic brain injury 
> 
> Also,do all of these produce changes in consciousness?narcotics, 
> barbiturates, depressants, stimulants? 

Lemme have a go at winging it.  As others have said or hinted, 
"consciousness" is a fuzzy concept which defies definition.  We generally 
accept two kinds as uncontroversial: either we're conscious or we're not. 
And we know someone is conscious when they're aware of their 
surroundings.

How do we know they're aware? When they tell us, preferably verbally, but 
also by other means, such as eye blinking to questions, as in the tragic 
locked-in case of Jean-Dominique Bauby in his remarkable book "The Diving 
Bell and the Butterfly: A Memoir of Life in Death".

In other cases (animals, fetuses) all bets are off. Even in the case of a 
verbal adult, as above, there can be problems. My wife typically protests 
she wasn't even asleep (i.e. unconscious) when I poke her to stop 
snoring. Am I right, or is she?

I doubt that anyone claims that all four of the stages of sleep are 
different states of consciousness, as it's generally recognized that the 
distinction between one stage and the next is purely arbitrary and has no 
particular physiological significance. REM sleep is different, and its 
importance has been hyped by claiming it represents a different "third 
kind" of consciousness. Mostly, this was back in the days when dreaming 
was thought to occur exclusively in REM sleep, a notion we now know is 
untrue. There are other physiological changes which make REM sleep 
qualitatively distinct from the other stages, but dces this mean it rates 
a new form of consciousness? I think not. 

However, if we are willing to tolerate a bit of fuzzy thinking, we can 
talk about degrees of consciousness (even though we don't know what 
consciousness is). This seems to be mostly tied to alertness. I'd think 
that  the items on Riki's list could be classified as different degrees 
of consciousness,  with more impairment the greater the interference with 
brain function (through, e.g.,  sleepiness, drugs, and physical trauma to 
the brain). But we might be better off just referring to them as 
"alertness". 

Stephen

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