On 12 Nov 2007 at 13:03, Ken Steele wrote:

> What was the N for the groups?
> 
> One justification for using the covariates might be that the N 
> was very low and that variability within the groups needed 
> further reduction.

N = 69 for the intervention group; 181 for control group (not 
particularly low,  I'd think, at least for a randomized experimental
study).

But there is something that's curious about these groups.  For the 
reported comparisons, there were actually two different controls. One was 
an "attention-control" ("no treatment sensitization/contact control"; n = 
123); the other was just a "control" ("no-treatment, no-contact control"; 
n = 58). They didn't give details, but I assume the attention-control was 
a kind of minimal placebo group. But after going to the trouble of 
creating two kinds of control group,  they didn't report any comparisons 
using them, except for comparing one with the other. Finding no 
difference, they used that as justification for combining them. All 
comparisons with the intervention group were made using the combined 
group.

That's a problem because their control group then is a strange hybrid, 
neither purely no-treatment nor attention-placebo. I suspect they did it 
because they weren't getting much joy from their comparisons with each 
control group separately. But it does limit whart they can conclude about 
their intervention (not that they felt so constrained, of course). 

The disparity in the size of the groups is also strange. They don't say 
why, and it doesn't seem to be due to drop-outs (which they don't report 
either). Possibly it was because each intervention procedure took a lot 
of time to administer, and each control, very little, so they could 
handle many more controls than intervention subjects. 

Back to my posted question on the legitimacy of logistic regression in 
this situation.  On the basis of the advice I've received here (and 
thanks for the helpful responses),  I'm now persuaded that it's a 
defensible procedure, and even a good idea, because it buys them greater 
power at no cost. I should be happy and not worry about it. Right?

Stephen

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Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.          
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Bishop's University                e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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