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-------------- Original message -------------- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well, Bill, here is more than you ever wanted to know and more than I should > probably put on a "public" list serve. But, I have not disclosed any names. > > Kaiser runs its own weight loss clinic, called Positive Choice, in San Diego. > They hire a staff of masters' level psychologists. As far as I know, no one > on > staff has a Ph.D. except for the director who has a Ph.D. in nursing--and I > haven't seen her around in months. There is an MD on staff and nursing > personnel > because they do blood work for electrolytes mostly, every other week to make > sure no one is going to drop dead ;) > > The first counselor I had, had a background in art therapy (master's level). > We > did lots of affirmations without any context for doing them. But we all had > to > say ours out loud (group of 20 of us fat folks) and then other people could > comment on each others' affirmation. Boy, I really got a lot out of that > exercise to help me change my life style. Not. > > Then we did a lot of "visualizations" where we took walks and had to "pick > up" > objects for which we were supposed to delve deeply into our psyche for. Like > one > object was an onion. Geez, after not eating food for 2 weeks (400 cal/day > liquid > diet only) all I wanted to do was eat the damned thing in my visualization. > RAW. > But it was "supposed" to signify peeling off the layers of "baggage" we all > carry with us. Of course, someone else in the group got it "right". This > counselor was into all sorts of junk science about laterality! Geez my field! > So > when I left I left her a set of reading debunking EMDR and the better > supported > facts regarding laterality. After she completely allowed people to talk about > how valid your horoscope is--but only if you have your chart drawn up, I had > to > ask for a transfer. Oh yes, she really, really likes The Secret. > > OK: next counselor: his background is with the old Schick Centers, anyone > remember those? They worked on behavioral principles of aversive conditioning > as > I recall from my younger days. He's the one who bemoans the fact that NLP is > no > longer as popular as it once was. He's actually, overall, much better than > the > previous person, but still, the "Swoosh" exercise was just too much. (You > envision a positive experience from your past to deal with food temptations.) > It's really, in my mind, just a distraction technique. What I guess I can't > understand is why we just can't call it that. > > Now he did affirmations, but didn't call them that and provided a context, so > I > might give him one more chance before I insist on another counselor with less > nonsense. I'm just not sure there is one. > > I think all these things can work but I want a context for them and I don't > want > to be told that there is some magic bullet being offered to me when I do > distractions work. > > I can hardly wait for next week. An exploration of my Inner Child (Bradshaw's > book is recommended reading for next week)! > > The reason I think this is the right program in general for me is the rapid > jump > start to a new life style. I just know that I am ready for it and now is my > time. I just wish it didn't have to come with all the froo-froo. > > So, who pays for it? The clients do. On any monday to Thursday there are > probably 4-8 groups on-going with 15-20 people in each group. I think Kaiser > supports the facility and everything else is paid for with a hefty-copayment, > and I do mean hefty--it's $45 per week for the wonderful counseling sessions > and > $65 per week for the 5 packets per day of yummy "shakes". Of course the $45 > is > tax deductible :) Also the lab tests are free if you have Kaiser coverage and > for most people that's a covered benefit. There are folks who are not from > inside the plan who do the program. It is very popular. They do have > longitudinal data and their 3-year success rate is over 50%, which is very > good > for weight loss programs. As a whole Kaiser is pretty good about doing > outcomes > research in general. Also, the percentage is MUCH higher for people who do > the > maintenance part of the program (and much lower for those who don't). > > So, all in all it can be a successful behavioral change program. > > And maybe I'm just cranky from the "fast". > > Annette > > > > > Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology > University of San Diego > 5998 Alcala Park > San Diego, CA 92110 > 619-260-4006 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:54:00 -0400 > >From: "William Scott" > >Subject: Re: [tips] MindMentor, the first robot psychologist > >To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > > > >Annette, > > > >I can't believe that someone is using EMDR for weight loss. It hasn't > >been shown to be effective for *anything*. NLP is not far behind in the > >bogus practice field. I'd like to know the criteria by which Kaiser > >decided to pay for this. Evidence based practice has a long way to go. > > > >Bill Scott > > > > > >>>> 03/12/08 4:41 PM >>> > >AAAARRRRGGGHHH! > > > >So, I'm doing this radical weight loss program through my HMO, Kaiser > >(yes, I've researched it, as well as the options and think it's the > >right thing for me) and I have to go to weekly 2 hour group counseling > >sessions in addition to starving myself (not literally). > > > >So far I've asked for two changes of counselors. The first one was big > >on EMDR and this one, I find out in last night's session is a big fan of > >NLP. > > > >Heaven help us because the psychology profession seems to be sorely > >lacking in critical thinking skills. > > > >Annette > > > > > >Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. > >Professor of Psychology > >University of San Diego > >5998 Alcala Park > >San Diego, CA 92110 > >619-260-4006 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >---- Original message ---- > >>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:47:12 -0700 > >>From: Don Allen > >>Subject: Re: [tips] MindMentor, the first robot psychologist > >>To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > > > >> > >> No, the best part is that it's based on > >> Neuro-Liguistic-Programming. :-) > >> > >> Rick Stevens wrote: > >> > >> http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=860&tag=nl.e539 > >> > >> In 2006, Hollander and Wijnberg did a test-run > >> with 1600 clients from all over the world. Results > >> showed that MindMentor was able to solve the > >> problems for 47% in just one session, a score that > >> any real life psychologist would be proud of." > >> > >> (The best part is) > >> It will cost ???4.95 for one hour session (or > >> about US$7.65 as of today). > >> > >> -- > >> __ Dr. Rick Stevens > >> __ Psychology Department > >> __ University of Louisiana @ Monroe > >> __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> --- > >> To make changes to your subscription contact: > >> > >> Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Don Allen > >> Department of Psychology > >> Langara College > >> Vancouver, B.C., Canada > >> V5Y 2Z6 > >> > >> 604-323-5871 > >> > >> --- > >> To make changes to your subscription contact: > >> > >> Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > >--- > >To make changes to your subscription contact: > > > >Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > >--- > >To make changes to your subscription contact: > > > >Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > --- > To make changes to your subscription contact: > > Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
