On 9 Aug 2008 at 19:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, referring to me: > Where is he?
That's easy. Right here. I turned TIPS off when I went on vacation early this summer and resolved not to turn it back on until I dealt with the mountain of e-mail that accumulated while I was away. But I can't resist an iceberg-related post (delivered to me by Annette using an extra-TIPS route). So I'm back. On the recent flurry of iceberg messages: Chiris Green's sighting of the iceberg in Titchener's 1912 AJP article has been made previously, by Mike P. according to my notes. However, I don't see that any of us has actually checked out the reference to G. Stanley Hall writing in 1910 in Harper's Magazine (although I expect it to be there as Titchener said). If anyone does have it, I'd appreciate a copy. Otherwise, I'll try interlibrary loan. I disagree with Chris that "there can be little doubt that Hall was referring, at least in part, to Freud". The fact Chris cites that a year earlier (1909) Hall had hosted Freud's Clark University lectures is insufficient evidence to tie the two together, worthy speculation though it may be. As far as I've been able to discover, Hall himself never explicitly invoked the iceberg in relation to Freud or psychoanalysis. The earliest appearance of the iceberg I have in relation to psychoanalysis occurs in a 1916 book by White, and credits Hall for the image. The 1910 use by Hall in a popular magazine is interesting, but, as Annette recalled, I was able to find an earlier (1898) Hall mention of the iceberg, this time in an academic publication, AJP. There is little doubt that Hall was an important, probably the most important popularizer of the iceberg image of the unconscious. He was generally recognized as its originator up until the famous 1939 NY Times obituary of Freud, which irreversibly (and spuriously) gave the credit instead to Freud. This 1898 source predates the anonymous 1899 report in a Quaker newsletter that professor Goddard used the image in a talk. As Mike P. tells us, Goddard did his dissertation with Hall, so he was undoubtedly familiar with its use in Hall's 1898 AJP publication. I was able to push the boundary back another 10 years, discovering that an anonymous author presented an unambiguous iceberg metaphor for the unconscious in another Quaker magazine in 1889. I believe this is currently the earliest date we have for the metaphor. Note that as this post will be readily available on the web, I am not providing additional details of the source, although I've told the Society of Iceberg Hunters. I think we should be cautious in prematurely blabbing what we have, as it will undermine the significance and novelty of our hoped-for publication (loose lips sink publications?). As for that publication, yes we should (yes we can is another matter). I'm sure we would all be grateful to anyone bold enough to take it on, as it would be a shame to allow all this detective work to remain a flower born to bloom unseen. I might consider having a run at it myself, but a summer (even an excessively wet one) is a terrible thing to waste, especially up here in the frozen North. Perhaps when the nights get long. Last point: It seems to me that a potential iceberg paper needs one important additional piece of information, namely the extent to which the iceberg image and its spurious attribution to Freud continues to be promulgated in the literature. I have a number of instances of its use in publications from people who should know better, but what we really need is a survey of current textbooks. Hence, a Call to Action. May I ask that people check their most recent editions of textbooks of introductory, personality, and child development? If Freud and the unconscious are discussed, is the iceberg mentioned? Is Freud explicitly given credit? And is there an illustration? If people will scan and send me, either by attachment or by snail mail, relevant pages from their recent textbooks (say 2005-2008) documenting either the presence or absence of the iceberg in relation to Freud's concept of the unconscious, that would be helpful. Just remember to label them (author, date, edition, page) so I know where they came from. I'll report on the progress of the survey to keep down duplicates. How about it, TIPsters? Can you help? Stephen ----------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
