Hi There are undoubtedly good and bad programs in PsyD (just as in PhD) and good and bad students (again just as in PhD), so individual cases are a poor indicator of the degree. Below are EPPP scores for various clinical psychology programs. Two striking features of the very large professional programs are (1) the sheer number of students they graduate, and (2) their generally lower than average scores on the EPPP. I believe that there is also evidence that quality of PsyD programs (on average) is better if affiliated with a university than if independent.
Take carfe Jim Here are the EPPP boards scores reported in the September issue of the APS Observer. The data is provided by institution, and covers clinical psychology graduates from 1988 to 1995. Rank Institution N Mean SD 1.0 University of Oregon 44 165.70 8.90 2.0 University of Waterloo 28 165.10 11.80 3.0 University of Pennsylvania 15 164.90 12.90 4.5 University of Delaware 29 164.60 8.50 4.5 University of California-Los Angeles 84 164.60 12.80 6.0 University of Iowa 31 164.40 9.10 7.0 University of Minnesota 48 163.90 8.80 8.0 University of Connecticut 57 163.70 13.80 9.0 Yale University 42 163.60 10.69 11.5 Univ of North Carolina-Chapel Hill 61 163.20 10.60 11.5 Rutgers University, PhD Program 36 163.20 11.00 13.5 University of Wisconsin-Madison 25 163.10 12.00 13.5 University of Missouri-St. Louis 46 163.10 8.60 15.5 San Diego State University 4 163.00 12.60 15.5 Northwestern University 28 163.00 10.20 17.5 University of Kansas 71 162.90 10.10 17.5 State University of New York-Buffalo 75 162.90 11.50 20.5 University of Rochester 39 162.60 11.80 20.5 University of Houston 51 162.60 10.40 20.5 Indiana University 31 162.60 11.00 20.5 Bowling Green State University 47 162.60 10.50 23.0 University of New Mexico 46 162.50 10.20 24.0 University of Alabama 54 162.30 13.00 25.0 University ofWyoming 34 162.20 8.80 27.0 State Univ of New York-Stony Brook 67 162.10 13.80 27.0 Loyola University 74 162.10 11.10 27.0 Emory University 48 162.10 9.80 29.0 University of Missouri-Columbia 60 161.90 12.70 31.0 Wayne State University 78 161.80 12.10 31.0 University of VA, Curry School Educ 5 161.80 5.50 31.0 Ohio University 68 161.80 10.70 33.0 Simon Fraser University 29 161.50 12.00 34.0 Washington University 42 161.40 10.90 35.5 University of Southern California 59 161.30 14.40 35.5 Duke University 33 161.30 13.30 37.5 University of British Columbia 25 161.20 11.30 37.5 Arizona State University 46 161.20 10.40 39.5 University of Alabama-Birmingham 5 161.00 5.10 39.5 McGill University 23 161.00 11.50 42.0 UniversityofTllinois-Chicago 61 160.80 12.90 42.0 University of Florida 87 160.80 12.50 42.0 Northern Illinois University 26 160.80 12.00 44.5 Georgia State University 129 160.60 12.70 44.5 Auburn University 5 160.60 10.90 46.0 University of Maine 28 160.50 10.30 47.0 University of South Florida 76 160.20 10.70 49.5 West Virginia University 62 160.10 12.80 49.5 University of Virginia 43 160.10 12.10 49.5 Miami University, Ohio 42 160.10 10.30 49.5 Kent State University 75 160.10 14.30 52.5 University of Hawaii 33 160.00 12.90 52.5 Case Western Reserve University 52 160.00 12.40 55.0 Virginia Commonwealth University 62 159.90 11.20 55.0 University of Nebraska-Lincoln 59 159.90 11.70 55.0 St. Louis University 71 159.90 14.70 57.0 University of Delaware 52 159.70 14.10 58.0 University of Texas-Dallas 56 159.60 9.00 59.0 DePaul University 64 159.50 12.40 60.5 Widener University 107 159.40 12.40 60.5 Clark University 24 159.40 13.50 62.0 Louisiana State University 85 159.20 12.30 63.0 University of Miami, Florida 101 159.10 12.80 64.0 Baylor University, PsyD Program 66 158.90 11.70 65.0 University ofMontana 56 158.80 14.90 66.0 American University 47 158.60 16.30 67.5 University of Virginia, School of Educ 26 158.50 13.20 67.5 Syracuse University 34 158.50 13.10 70.5 University of Georgia 75 158.30 13.10 70.5 University of Washington 52 158.30 13.30 70.5 Long Island University-Brooklyn 6 158.30 11.50 70.5 Fordham University 59 158.30 12.20 73.5 Texas Technical University 39 158.20 11.20 73.5 Indiana State University 62 158.20 11.40 75.5 York University 3 158.00 7.50 75.5 Central Michigan University 28 158.00 8.90 77.0 University of Texas-Austin 36 157.90 15.40 78.0 Virginia Polytechnic Institute 60 157.80 13.70 79.5 University of North Dakota 72 157.70 12.20 79.5 Catholic University of America 64 157.70 14.10 81.0 University of Hartford 41 157.60 13.00 83.0 University of Kentucky 30 157.50 11.50 83.0 University of Western Ontario 39 157.50 10.50 83.0 State University of New York-Binghamton 44 157.50 13.10 85.5 University of North Texas 40 157.40 15.10 85.5 University of Illinois-Champaign-Urbana 29 157.40 15.50 87.0 University of Massachusetts 64 157.20 15.90 89.0 Virginia Consortium of Prof Psychology 68 157.00 13.70 89.0 University of Cincinnati 62 157.00 14.10 89.0 Fuller Theological Seminary 225 157.00 13.70 91.0 Rutgers University. PsyD Program 107 156.90 13.50 92.5 Vanderbilt University 40 156.70 13.10 92.5 University of Michigan 93 156.70 17.60 94.0 Hahneman University. PhD Program 18 156.40 11.70 95.0 University ofToledo 33 156.30 14.40 96.0 University of Utah 41 156.20 14.70 98.0 University of Arizona 56 156.10 15.90 98.0 University of Vermont 61 156.10 17.10 98.0 Brigham Young University 61 156.10 11.20 100.0 Utah State University 46 156.00 17.10 101.0 Florida State University 93 155.80 13.20 102.0 Purdue University 56 155.60 14.90 103.0 Fairleigh Dickinson University 83 155.50 10.90 104.5 University of California-Berkeley 37 155.30 16.10 104.5 University of Maryland-College Park 58 155.30 20.10 106.0 Texas A & M University 23 155.20 8.20 107.0 Temple University 45 155.10 15.20 108.5 University of Rhode Island 64 155.00 7.10 108.5 St. John's University 86 155.00 16.00 110.0 University of Windsor 50 154.80 11.70 111.0 City University of New York-Grad School 3 154.70 16.50 112.0 University of Mississippi 57 154.60 12.70 114.0 UniversityofSouthCarolina 84 154.50 17.50 114.0 Ohio State University 51 154.50 19.80 114.0 Memphis State University 73 154.50 11.00 116.0 New School of Social Research 119 154.40 12.30 117.0 George Washington University 70 154.30 15.30 118.0 University of Manitoba 50 154.20 15.00 119.5 University of North Carolina-Greensboro 35 154.10 15.60 119.5 Biola University, PhD Program 59 154.10 17.80 121.0 Michigan State University 98 154.00 20.30 122.5 University of Nevada 31 153.90 14.50 122.5 Northwestern Medical School 99 153.90 14.40 124.5 University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee 39 153.80 14.60 124.5 Hahneman University, PsyD Program 77 153.80 13.80 126.0 University ofLouisville 40 153.50 12.50 127.0 George Mason University 31 153.40 13.00 128.0 University of Arkansas 49 153.10 17.40 129.0 Boston University 109 152.90 17.80 130.5 University of South Dakota 54 152.80 15.70 130.5 Southern Illinois University-Carbondale 72 152.80 16.00 132.5 Washington State University 82 152.60 19.30 132.5 George Peabody College of Vanderbilt 53 153.60 18.10 134.0 Long Island University 82 152.50 14.10 135.0 Biola University, PsyD Program 240 152.40 15.80 136.0 Pacific Graduate School of Psychology 159 152.20 17.10 137.0 California Sch of Prof Psych, San Diego 452 152.10 18.50 138.0 University of Colorado 68 151.60 16.50 139.0 University of Denver, PsyD Program 320 151.50 14.90 140.0 California School Prof Psych, Alameda 538 151.40 19.20 141.0 Oklahoma State University 76 151.10 13.50 142.5 University of Pittsburgh 47 151.00 21.50 142.5 Pepperdine University 66 151.00 16.50 144.5 University of Ottawa 58 150.60 13.60 144.5 Adelphi University 212 150.60 16.00 146.5 Illinois Institute of Technology 74 150.30 13.90 146.5 California Inst of Integral Studies 32 150.30 18.60 148.0 Columbia University Teachers College 93 150.20 15.50 149.0 Concordia University 13 150.10 21.40 150.0 Western Michigan University 34 149.80 15.00 151.0 Massachusetts School of Prof Psych 291 149.60 15.30 152.0 Pennsylvania State University 65 148.90 19.90 153.0 Nova University. PsyD Program 390 148.70 14.00 154.0 University of Tennessee-Knoxville 84 148.30 15.50 155.0 Antioch University 123 147.70 13.40 156.0 Pacific University. Professional School 85 147.40 14.40 157.0 University of Southern Mississippi 88 147.30 17.50 158.0 City University of New York-City Coll 95 146.60 17.60 159.0 Wright State University 238 146.50 17.50 160.5 New York University 116 146.30 20.60 160.5 Illinois School of Prof Psych 486 146.30 16.80 162.0 University of Detroit 79 146.00 13.40 163.0 Wright Institute 195 145.60 20.40 164.5 Howard University 29 145.00 13.50 164.5 Florida Institute of Technology 380 145.00 16.70 166.0 California School of Prof Psych, Fresno 447 144.40 16.80 167.0 Chicago School of Prof Psych 229 144.20 14.00 168.0 Georgia School of Prof Psych 3 143.80 18.50 169.0 California School of Prof Psych, L.A. 846 142.90 19.90 170.0 Forest Institute of Prof Psych, Hawaii 5 142.40 28.90 171.0 George Fox College 4 142.00 14.00 172.0 Wisconsin School of Prof Psych 5 141.80 24.80 173.0 Forest Inst of Prof Psych, Missouri 115 140.80 15.40 174.0 Spalding University 43 140.00 17.30 175.0 Forest Inst of Prof Psych. Illinois 319 139.50 16.50 176.0 Seton Hall University, PsyD Program 33 138.90 18.00 177.0 Adler School of Prof Psych 11 135.60 15.30 178.5 United States International University 320 135.50 22.40 178.5 Fielding Institute 19 135.50 16.70 180.0 Miami University 16 131.80 16.70 181.0 Minnesota School of Prof Psych 7 130.90 16.40 182.0 University of California-Davis 24 130.10 24.30 183.0 Yeshiva University 243 128.60 15.10 Source: APS OBSERVER September 1997 American Psychological Society James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Psychology University of Winnipeg Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 CANADA >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 24-Aug-08 4:12 PM >>> Is the PsyD degree any good? Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach.Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
