Hi

I'm not sure whether this addresses the interesting question or not, but here 
is my experience with an Honours data analysis class (presumably motivated 
students?).  To help them learn the material, I give simulations (using each 
students' id number as part of seed so every student has unique data for the 
same study) as assignments.  This is INVALUABLE in helping them to understand 
the material ... based on reports from students as well as my own impressions 
(e.g., decrease in students leaving the tests early or in tears).  I give 
modest marks for the individual assignments (5-6% of final mark), although 
total does accumulate.  One year I decided to make the assignments voluntary (I 
can't remember why although I am now being taken to task for using too many TA 
hours for the course, and this might have been the case earlier as well ... 
much of TA time is spent marking assignments).  Guess what?  Completion of 
assignments dropped off precipitously!  My conclusion, even strong, 
well-motivated students have difficulty working hard when there is NO direct 
consequence with respect to grades.  I can only imagine what the situation 
would be for weaker, less motivated students.

Take care
Jim

James M. Clark
Professor of Psychology
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>>> "Christopher D. Green" <[email protected]> 08-Feb-09 12:31:08 AM >>>
It is too bad that this (now former) professor's politics obscures the 
critical educational question he poses: Would students work harder on 
their courses if there were no grades (i.e., if knowledge was the ONLY 
thing they could hope to take away from a course)?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090206.wprof06/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostview
 

It sounds to me like an empirical question. My prediction is that, 
initially, some would work more, some less, and some the same but that, 
after a (not very long) while, most would realize that there is not much 
point in investing the time to attend dozens of hours of lectures unless 
you actually learn something from them (especially if there is no grade 
forthcoming to serve as a proxy for what you learned).

On the other hand, attending a series of lectures, even if you do not 
intend to become an expert in the topic, can be an interesting 
experience, so perhaps many students would continue to attend but not 
work hard.

Chris
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Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada

 

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