On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:46:05 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote: >On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Mike Palij wrote: >>On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:13:50 -0700, Paul Brandon writes: >>>Actually, there's no conflict between being a rat running behaviorist >>>and believing that the CNS (central or conceptual as the case may be) >> >>What's that sound? Is that B.F. spinning in his grave? > >No.
<Cups hand to ear and concentrates> Yep, he's spinning, He's also saying something about RFT but he's using a different F-word. He's also saying something about people should read David Palmer's 2004 review of "Relational Frame Theory" in JEAB before associating his name with the Hayes & Barnes-Holmes crowd. >>>is an integrated interactive system all of which is involved in any >>>given instance of behavior. And of course we talk a great deal >>>about verbally mediated behavior in all of its complexity. >> >>I may be mistaken but I think my original point has been lost: >> >>(1) Conditioning studies involving animals [insert your favorite species >>here] > >including humans That's pretty trans-species of you. However, last I checked, animals don't have language systems like those used by humans, so whether conditioning studies based on animals might be modified by language processes that humans can use is still a question. >>may have questionable generalizability to humans because animals >>do not have language or high level symbolic processing capability > >see the operant conditioning literature on Stimulus Equivalence and >Relational Framing. Neither process has been convincingly demonstrated >with nonhuman subjects. Schusterman & Kastak (1993) called. The sea lion says that he's going to sue you for libel if you keep on saying that he can't form equivalence relations. With all respects to Sidman, I really don't see the relevance of ER and RFT to human language. But that's just my opinion. -Mike Palij New York University [email protected] They are an integral part of verbal behavior in all its glory. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([email protected])
