���

I think that US and British officials *requested* a backdoor welcome. 
Obviously
that request was not granted.
It is always shocking to Americans when other countries really don't 
care what
the U.S. thinks or requests.
Marie




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TIPS Digest for Friday, August 21, 2009.

1. UFOs/British open minded
2. RE: The ten worst rock'n'roll career moves - 1
3. RE: UFOs/British open minded
4. The compassion of Braveheart
5. Eat, Pray, Love
6. What Does Tenure Protect?
7. The Rational Infant 2:  The Response
8. Re: The compassion of Braveheart
9. Re: What Does Tenure Protect?
10. RE: What Does Tenure Protect?
11. Re: What Does Tenure Protect?
12. Re: The compassion of Braveheart
13. Drop the pants!
14. RE: Drop the pants!
15. Re: The compassion of Braveheart
16. RE: The compassion of Braveheart
17. RE: The compassion of Braveheart
18. RE: The compassion of Braveheart
19. =?iso-88
 59-1?Q?lost-hiker_d=E9j=E0_vu?=
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21. What Will We Be Talking About Next Week?
22. Re: The compassion of Braveheart
23. stats on iraq war vet suicides

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From:

Allen Esterson <allenester...@compuserve.com>



Subject:

UFOs/British open minded



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:40:31 -0400






[tips] UFOs/British open minded

On 19 August 209 Michael Sylvester wrote:
> The Brits have released 19 years of data collection on UFO and
>alien 20visitations.In contrast to the debunking of such alleged
>appearances in the U.S, the Brits appear open-minded to the
possibility.

I looked in vain for any citation relating to this assertion in this
TIPS thread. Here is one, from The Guardian:

>This is the fourth batch of UFO files to be released since May last
year and it indicates the MoD has been unwavering in its belief there
is "no evidence whatsoever to suggest that intelligent life from outer
space or alien spacecraft have landed on our planet".<

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/17/mod-report-ufo-sightings

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
http://www.esterson.org

------------------------------------------
 ---------------
michael sylvester
Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:44:49 -0700

The Brits have released 19 years of data collection on UFO and alien
visitations.In contrast to the debunking of such alleged appearances in
the
U.S,the Brits appear open-minded to the possibility.

Michael Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida










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From:

Stuart McKelvie <smcke...@ubishops.ca>



Subject:

RE: The ten worst rock'n'roll career moves - 1



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:05:10 -0400






Dear Tipsters,

Chris issued a wee challenge.

The Independent says:

"Expect to wince as a faux-moody,
  Howlin Wolf-esque version of Silent 
Night hits
the charts this December, forcing Dylan loyalists, once again, to come 
to terms
with their hero dismantling his recent artistic success."

Or:

To relish yet another music genre that presently includes folk, rock, 
rap,
country, jazz, blues, gospel.

Remember:

"Some people they tell me,
I got the blood of the land in my voice".

Bring it on, I say.

Sincerely,

Stuart

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 Sent via Web Access

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Department of Psychology,         Fax: 819 822 9661
Bishop's University,
2600 rue College,
Sherbrooke,
Québec J1M 1Z7,
Canada.

E-mail: stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (or smcke...@ubishops.ca)

Bishop's University Psychology Department Web Page:
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________________________________________
From: Christopher D. Green [chri...@yorku.ca]
Sent: 20 August 2009 22:22
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] The ten worst rock'n'roll career moves - 1=0
 D

Was someone I know extolling the virtues of Bob Dylan? :-)
The Independent is not amused.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/the-top-ten-disastrous-rocknroll-career-moves-1774270.html?action=Popup

Chris
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From:

Pollak, Edward <epol...@wcupa.edu>



=0
 ASubject:

RE: UFOs/British open minded



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:03:14 -0400







Some shorter & more entertaining (but less thorough) clips are from 
James Randi. See

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39PM03iVbqE

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dp2Zqk8vHw

 

There are several others that might also be useful if you search for 
"James Randi" on YouTube.

 

Ed

 

 




Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
West Chester University of Pennsylvania
http://home.comcast.net/~epollak
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, bluegrass fiddler and 
herpetoculturi
 st...... in approximate order of importance.

 

Subject: RE: UFOs/British open minded
From: Marc Carter <marc.car...@bakeru.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:03:41 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7


This is great.  In my intro class tomorrow I'm going to start talking 
about science and why it works; this might be a nice intro for that.  I 
only wish it were a little shorter...












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From:

michael sylvester <msylves...@copper.net>



Subject:

The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:43:01 -0400






The release of the Libyan terrorist=2
 0by Scottish authorities so that he 
could spend his terminal days at home and with family is an example of 
differential cross-cultural attitudes between Europe and the U.S.

Obviously it demonstrates that Scottish judges took into account that 
there is more to justice than the tit-for-tat mentality of  the 
Americans. It is interesting that the Europeans weigh various aspects 
of consequences of certain actions and did not blindly reject the human 
element that to even in our worse hour , being compassionate

is truly the quintessential human quality. There are other attitudes 
that distinguishes Europeans from the Americans in terms of 
prostitution,addiction,euthanasia,death penalty and many other. 
 One 
distinguishing characteristic between the two continents is that there 
is an ambivalence about values in U.S culture and Americans

appear to have a need to seek approval.As the cross-cultural dude on 
Tips,the Sottish justice system seem to take into account that justice 
may lead to some incarceration,compassion is right and needs no 
consensus from across the ocean.We all regret the loss of lives,but two 
wrongs do not make a right.

This is beginning to remind me of bumper stickers I used to see in 
Florida "We don't care how you do it up North."

Europeans may be expressing a similar theme-"We don't care how you do 
it in the U.S" I understand that in some European countr
 ies even the a 
life sentence is viewed as cruel.

 

 

So Stuart Mc Kelvie-Hail Scotland!

 

Michael Sylvester.PhD

Daytona Beach,Florida









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From:

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Subject:

Eat, Pray, Love



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:50:33 -0700





A fine piece of narcissism from the author.  She comes across as a 
self-indulgent poser in everything she does.  I found her story 
annoying, her annoying, and any proceeds she receives misdirected.

I only am grateful I did not pay for the book and read it on a loa
 n.  
Save your money.

Rob

Rob Weisskirch, MSW. Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Human Development
Certified Family Life Educator
Liberal Studies Department
California State University, Monterey Bay
100 Campus Center, Building 82C
Seaside, CA 93955
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From:

Mike Palij <m...@nyu.edu>



Subject:

What Does Tenure Protect?



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:05:20 -0400






In the NY Times there is a "discussion" about John C. Yoo who
is best known as the author of the "torture memos" which laid out
the legal rationale for the use of "enhanced interrogation" techniques.
Yoo, prior to joining the Bush White House, was a tenured professor
at UC-Berkeley's law school, a position he has returned to amidst
much "discussion".  Several lawyers and academics, including the
current AAUP president Cary Nelson, try to review the issues
and whether the UC system should fire Yoo for his activities in
the Bush
  administration.  See:

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/torture-and-academic-freedom/ 


Yoo's siutation is apparently quite complex and whether he will be
held accountable for his activities is unclear (if the Obama Dept of
Justice was more interested in prosecuting members of the Bush
admin for alleged war crimes, this would be less uncertain).

Of direct relevance to TiPS are the following issues presented by
the lawyer/professor Brian Leiter; quoting from the NY Times:
|
|As a contractual and perhaps constitutional matter, Professor Yoo
|cannot be fired or penalized for the content of his scholarship and
|teaching, unless it involves research misconduct or intellectual 
dishonesty.
|A faculty 
 member can also be disciplined by the university if 
convicted
|by a court of a serious criminal violation. Berkeley's regulations
|on this score are typical.
|
|Professor Yoo has defended his views about executive power in
|scholarly journals. Other scholars have defended similar views.
|Professor Yoo has not committed research misconduct. He has
|defended his views about executive power in scholarly journals,
|as well as in the memoranda he wrote as an attorney for the 
government.
|Other scholars have defended similar views. One may think (as I do)
|such views implausible, badly argued and morally odious, but they
|do not involve "research misconduct."
|
|If "research misconduct" or "intellectual dishonesty"=2
 0were
|interpreted to cover what he has done then there would be nothing
|left of academic freedom, since every disagreement on the merits
|of a position, especially a minority position in the scholarly 
community,
|could be turned into a "research misconduct" charge that would lead
|to disciplinary proceedings and possible termination. (Something like
|this happened, in part, in the Ward Churchill case.)

Interesting mixture of "research misconduct", "intellectual dishonesty",
and "justifying torture". There are other considerations, particularly
legal technicalities, which are relevant but better handled by legal
scholars (e.g., see the following article, particularly pages 457-8,
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/roomfordebate/Clark-
 Torture-Memo-2005.pdf 

).

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu










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From:

Mike Palij <m...@nyu.edu>



Subject:

The Rational Infant 2: The Response



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:19:36 -0400






Previously, I had quoted and posted the URL for Alison Gopnik's
Op-Ed in the NY Times.  The Times has received a few letters in
response which some might find of interest; see:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/opinion/l21babies.html

The writers are mostly academic types.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu










 

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From:

Paul Brandon <paul.bran...@mnsu.edu>



Subject:

Re: The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:23:16 -0500





or maybe just the fact that most of the dead were Americans, not Scots.



On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:43 AM, michael sylvester wrote:



The release of the Libyan terrorist by Scottish authorities so that he 
could spend his terminal days at home and with family is an example of 
differential cross-cultural attitudes between Europe and the U.S.

Obviously it demonstrates that Scottish judges took into account that 
there is more to justice than the tit-for-t
 at mentality of  the 
Americans. It is interesting that the Europeans weigh various aspects 
of consequences of certain actions and did not blindly reject the human 
element that to even in our worse hour , being compassionate

is truly the quintessential human quality. There are other attitudes 
that distinguishes Europeans from the Americans in terms of 
prostitution,addiction,euthanasia,death penalty and many other. One 
distinguishing characteristic between the two continents is that there 
is an ambivalence about values in U.S culture and Americans

appear to have a need to seek approval.As the cross-cultural dude on 
Tips,the Sottish justice system seem to take into account that justice 
 
may lead to some incarceration,compassion is right and needs no 
consensus from across the ocean.We all regret the loss of lives,but two 
wrongs do not make a right.

This is beginning to remind me of bumper stickers I used to see in 
Florida "We don't care how you do it up North."

Europeans may be expressing a similar theme-"We don't care how you do 
it in the U.S" I understand that in some European countries even the a 
life sentence is viewed as cruel.








Paul Brandon

Emeritus Professor of Psychology

Minnesota State University, Mankato

paul.bran...@mnsu.edu













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 0D


From:

Christopher Green <chri...@yorku.ca>



Subject:

Re: What Does Tenure Protect?



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:52:46 -0400






It seems to me that the matter is actually fairly clear (though it is
superficially juicy enough that the media is pumping it for all it's
worth). As much as I may personally despise Yoo's legal opinions, if 
the
US government is unwilling to prosecute Yoo with a criminal offense,
then one can hardly expect his employer to leap into the breach in 
their
stead (and if they did, it would begin a very expensive legal and 
public
relations brouhaha from which UC Berkeley might not actually recover).
 
If Yoo were convicted of something, he could be fired. If he is not
convicted of anything, then there is no legal basis on which to
over-ride the protections of tenure.

The rhetorical question of "what tenure protects?" in this case is
exactly parallel to the question of "what the right to remain silent
protects?" when faced with a person who is well known to have committed
a crime, if not yet actually convicted of it. It protects everyone else
who the police might want to arrest who have done nothing illegal. And
in the case of tenure, it protects all those other people who 
university
boards might want to fire because they have uttered embarrassing 
truths,
but done nothing illegal.
 0D
Now what might make the Yoo case a little more interesting, would be if
some International (or other national) court were to convict him of War
Crimes, or such like (presumably in absentia, because he'd be a fool to
appear before them). That would make Berkeley's position a little more
uncomfortable (though I suspect, in the end, they would do nothing).

Regards,
Chris Green
York U.
Toronto

Mike Palij wrote:
> In the NY Times there is a "discussion" about John C. Yoo who
> is best known as the author of the "torture memos" which laid out
> the legal rationale for the use of "enhanced interrogation" 
techniques.
> Yoo, prior to joining the Bush White House, was a tenured professo
 r
> at UC-Berkeley's law school, a position he has returned to amidst
> much "discussion".  Several lawyers and academics, including the
> current AAUP president Cary Nelson, try to review the issues
> and whether the UC system should fire Yoo for his activities in
> the Bush administration.  See:
>
> 
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/torture-and-academic-freedom/ 


>
> Yoo's siutation is apparently quite complex and whether he will be
> held accountable for his activities is unclear (if the Obama Dept of
> Justice was more interested in prosecuting members of the Bush
> admin for alleged war crimes, this would be less uncertain).
>
> Of direct relevance to TiPS are the followi
 ng issues presented by
> the lawyer/professor Brian Leiter; quoting from the NY Times:
> |
> |As a contractual and perhaps constitutional matter, Professor Yoo
> |cannot be fired or penalized for the content of his scholarship and
> |teaching, unless it involves research misconduct or intellectual 
dishonesty.
> |A faculty member can also be disciplined by the university if 
convicted
> |by a court of a serious criminal violation. Berkeley's regulations
> |on this score are typical.
> |
> |Professor Yoo has defended his views about executive power in
> |scholarly journals. Other scholars have defended similar views.
> |Professor Yoo has not committed research misconduct. He has
> |defended his views a
 bout executive power in scholarly journals,
> |as well as in the memoranda he wrote as an attorney for the 
government.
> |Other scholars have defended similar views. One may think (as I do)
> |such views implausible, badly argued and morally odious, but they
> |do not involve "research misconduct."
> |
> |If "research misconduct" or "intellectual dishonesty" were
> |interpreted to cover what he has done then there would be nothing
> |left of academic freedom, since every disagreement on the merits
> |of a position, especially a minority position in the scholarly 
community,
> |could be turned into a "research misconduct" charge that would lead
> |to disciplinary proceedings and possible termination. (Som
 ething 
like
> |this happened, in part, in the Ward Churchill case.)
>
> Interesting mixture of "research misconduct", "intellectual 
dishonesty",
> and "justifying torture". There are other considerations, particularly
> legal technicalities, which are relevant but better handled by legal
> scholars (e.g., see the following article, particularly pages 457-8,
> 
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/roomfordebate/Clark-Torture-Memo-2005.pdf
 

).
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> m...@nyu.edu
>
>
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>
> Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
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Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 
 1P3

chri...@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/christo
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Subject:

RE: What Does Tenure Protect?



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:02:16 -0500






I can see lawyers wanting to disbar (or even file a civil lawsuit) 
against
someone on the basis of legal malpractice for giving bad legal advice 
but I
don't suppose many want to set the precedent of trying someone 
criminally for
the legal advice they gave (unless the advice-giver w
 as not licensed as 
an
attorney).

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman, Chair
Division of Humanities and Social Sciences
Professor of Psychology
Box 3055
John Brown University
2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR  72761
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-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Green [mailto:chri...@yorku.ca]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:53 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] What Does Tenure Protect?

It seems to me that the matter is actually fairly clear (though it is
superficially juicy enough that the media is pumping it for all it
 's
worth). As much as I may personally despise Yoo's legal opinions, if the
US government is unwilling to prosecute Yoo with a criminal offense,
then one can hardly expect his employer to leap into the breach in their
stead (and if they did, it would begin a very expensive legal and public
relations brouhaha from which UC Berkeley might not actually recover).
If Yoo were convicted of something, he could be fired. If he is not
convicted of anything, then there is no legal basis on which to
over-ride the protections of tenure.

The rhetorical question of "what tenure protects?" in this case is
exactly parallel to the question of "what the right to remain silent
protects?" when faced with a person w
 ho is well known to have committed
a crime, if not yet actually convicted of it. It protects everyone else
who the police might want to arrest who have done nothing illegal. And
in the case of tenure, it protects all those other people who university
boards might want to fire because they have uttered embarrassing truths,
but done nothing illegal.

Now what might make the Yoo case a little more interesting, would be if
some International (or other national) court were to convict him of War
Crimes, or such like (presumably in absentia, because he'd be a fool to
appear before them). That would make Berkeley's position a little more
uncomfortable (though I suspect, in the end, they would do nothing).

 
Regards,
Chris Green
York U.
Toronto

Mike Palij wrote:
> In the NY Times there is a "discussion" about John C. Yoo who
> is best known as the author of the "torture memos" which laid out
> the legal rationale for the use of "enhanced interrogation" 
techniques.
> Yoo, prior to joining the Bush White House, was a tenured professor
> at UC-Berkeley's law school, a position he has returned to amidst
> much "discussion".  Several lawyers and academics, including the
> current AAUP president Cary Nelson, try to review the issues
> and whether the UC system should fire Yoo for his activities in
> the Bush administration.  See:
>
> 
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/torture-
 and-academic-freedom/
>
> Yoo's siutation is apparently quite complex and whether he will be
> held accountable for his activities is unclear (if the Obama Dept of
> Justice was more interested in prosecuting members of the Bush
> admin for alleged war crimes, this would be less uncertain).
>
> Of direct relevance to TiPS are the following issues presented by
> the lawyer/professor Brian Leiter; quoting from the NY Times:
> |
> |As a contractual and perhaps constitutional matter, Professor Yoo
> |cannot be fired or penalized for the content of his scholarship and
> |teaching, unless it involves research misconduct or intellectual 
dishonesty.
> |A faculty member can also be disciplined by the universit
 y if 
convicted
> |by a court of a serious criminal violation. Berkeley's regulations
> |on this score are typical.
> |
> |Professor Yoo has defended his views about executive power in
> |scholarly journals. Other scholars have defended similar views.
> |Professor Yoo has not committed research misconduct. He has
> |defended his views about executive power in scholarly journals,
> |as well as in the memoranda he wrote as an attorney for the 
government.
> |Other scholars have defended similar views. One may think (as I do)
> |such views implausible, badly argued and morally odious, but they
> |do not involve "research misconduct."
> |
> |If "research misconduct" or "intellectual dishonesty" were
 0A> |interpreted to cover what he has done then there would be nothing
> |left of academic freedom, since every disagreement on the merits
> |of a position, especially a minority position in the scholarly 
community,
> |could be turned into a "research misconduct" charge that would lead
> |to disciplinary proceedings and possible termination. (Something like
> |this happened, in part, in the Ward Churchill case.)
>
> Interesting mixture of "research misconduct", "intellectual 
dishonesty",
> and "justifying torture". There are other considerations, particularly
> legal technicalities, which are relevant but better handled by legal
> scholars (e.g., see the following article, particularly pages 457-8,
> 
http://graphic
 s8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/roomfordebate/Clark-Torture-Memo-2005.pdf 

).
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> m...@nyu.edu
>
>
> ---
> To make changes to your subscription contact:
>
> Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
>
>

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Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3

chri...@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/christo
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From:

Paul Brandon <paul.bran...@mnsu.edu>
 



Subject:

Re: What Does Tenure Protect?



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:09:50 -0500






It seems to me that the question really is what Berkeley's faculty
contract specifies.
If a clean criminal record is stated as a condition of employment,
then UCB (the State of California) would have clear grounds for
firing him.
Otherwise, if he is meeting the terms of his contract (including its
definition of job competence) he should be protected by tenure.
Tenure usually puts the onus of proof on the employer: they would
have to prove that he was violating the conditions of his employment.

On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Christopher Green wrote:

 0A> It seems to me that the matter is actually fairly clear (though it is
> superficially juicy enough that the media is pumping it for all it's
> worth). As much as I may personally despise Yoo's legal opinions,
> if the
> US government is unwilling to prosecute Yoo with a criminal offense,
> then one can hardly expect his employer to leap into the breach in
> their
> stead (and if they did, it would begin a very expensive legal and
> public
> relations brouhaha from which UC Berkeley might not actually recover).
> If Yoo were convicted of something, he could be fired. If he is not
> convicted of anything, then there is no legal basis on which to
> over-ride the protections of tenu
 re.
>
> The rhetorical question of "what tenure protects?" in this case is
> exactly parallel to the question of "what the right to remain silent
> protects?" when faced with a person who is well known to have
> committed
> a crime, if not yet actually convicted of it. It protects everyone
> else
> who the police might want to arrest who have done nothing illegal. And
> in the case of tenure, it protects all those other people who
> university
> boards might want to fire because they have uttered embarrassing
> truths,
> but done nothing illegal.
>
> Now what might make the Yoo case a little more interesting, would
> be if
> some International (or other national) court were
  to convict him of
> War
> Crimes, or such like (presumably in absentia, because he'd be a
> fool to
> appear before them). That would make Berkeley's position a little more
> uncomfortable (though I suspect, in the end, they would do nothing).
>
> Regards,
> Chris Green
> York U.
> Toronto
>
> Mike Palij wrote:
>> In the NY Times there is a "discussion" about John C. Yoo who
>> is best known as the author of the "torture memos" which laid out
>> the legal rationale for the use of "enhanced interrogation"
>> techniques.
>> Yoo, prior to joining the Bush White House, was a tenured professor
>> at UC-Berkeley's law school, a position he has returned to amidst
>> much 
 "discussion".  Several lawyers and academics, including the
>> current AAUP president Cary Nelson, try to review the issues
>> and whether the UC system should fire Yoo for his activities in
>> the Bush administration.  See:
>>
>> http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/torture-and-
>> academic-freedom/
>>
>> Yoo's siutation is apparently quite complex and whether he will be
>> held accountable for his activities is unclear (if the Obama Dept of
>> Justice was more interested in prosecuting members of the Bush
>> admin for alleged war crimes, this would be less uncertain).
>>
>> Of direct relevance to TiPS are the following issues presented by
>> the lawyer/professor Brian Leiter; quoting from the NY T
 imes:
>> |
>> |As a contractual and perhaps constitutional matter, Professor Yoo
>> |cannot be fired or penalized for the content of his scholarship and
>> |teaching, unless it involves research misconduct or intellectual
>> dishonesty.
>> |A faculty member can also be disciplined by the university if
>> convicted
>> |by a court of a serious criminal violation. Berkeley's regulations
>> |on this score are typical.
>> |
>> |Professor Yoo has defended his views about executive power in
>> |scholarly journals. Other scholars have defended similar views.
>> |Professor Yoo has not committed research misconduct. He has
>> |defended his views about executive power in scholarly journals,
>> |as well as in the m
 emoranda he wrote as an attorney for the
>> government.
>> |Other scholars have defended similar views. One may think (as I do)
>> |such views implausible, badly argued and morally odious, but they
>> |do not involve "research misconduct."
>> |
>> |If "research misconduct" or "intellectual dishonesty" were
>> |interpreted to cover what he has done then there would be nothing
>> |left of academic freedom, since every disagreement on the merits
>> |of a position, especially a minority position in the scholarly
>> community,
>> |could be turned into a "research misconduct" charge that would lead
>> |to disciplinary proceedings and possible termination. (Something
>> like
>> |this happened, in part, in the War
 d Churchill case.)
>>
>> Interesting mixture of "research misconduct", "intellectual
>> dishonesty",
>> and "justifying torture". There are other considerations,
>> particularly
>> legal technicalities, which are relevant but better handled by legal
>> scholars (e.g., see the following article, particularly pages 457-8,
>> http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/roomfordebate/Clark-
>> Torture-Memo-2005.pdf ).
>>
>> -Mike Palij
>> New York University
>> m...@nyu.edu
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Michael Smith <tipsl...@gmail.com>



Subject:

Re: The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:11:51 -0600






Or rabid liberalism raises its cancerous head yet once again

 

--Mike


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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:43 AM, michael sylvester 
<msylves...@copper.net> wrote:








The release of the Libyan terrorist by Scottish authorities so that he 
could spend his terminal days at home and with family is an example of 
differential cross-cultural attitudes between Europe and the U.S.

Obviously it demonstrates that Scottish judges took into account that 
there is more to justice than the tit-for-tat mentality of  the 
Americans. It is interesting that the Europeans weigh various aspects 
of consequences of certain actions and did not blindly reject the human 
element that to even in our worse hour , being compassionate

is truly the quintessential 
 human quality. There are other attitudes 
that distinguishes Europeans from the Americans in terms of 
prostitution,addiction,euthanasia,death penalty and many other. One 
distinguishing characteristic between the two continents is that there 
is an ambivalence about values in U.S culture and Americans

appear to have a need to seek approval.As the cross-cultural dude on 
Tips,the Sottish justice system seem to take into account that justice 
may lead to some incarceration,compassion is right and needs no 
consensus from across the ocean.We all regret the loss of lives,but two 
wrongs do not make a right.

This is beginning to remind me of bumper stickers I used to see in 
Florida "We don't care how=2
 0you do it up North."

Europeans may be expressing a similar theme-"We don't care how you do 
it in the U.S" I understand that in some European countries even the a 
life sentence is viewed as cruel.

 

 

So Stuart Mc Kelvie-Hail Scotland!

 

Michael Sylvester.PhD

Daytona Beach,Florida


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Subject:

Drop the pants!



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:49:53 -0400






 
Normally this would be the command we would give if we were trying to 
assess if someone was male or female.

However a track and field event has raised questions as to whether an 
alleged female athelete from South Africa

is he or a she.External characteristics like voice and muscular speed 
characteristics would indicate of a phenotypic male.This could be a 
teachable moment to discuss sex and gender in class.Apparently it will 
be DNA that will determine the sexuality.Some individuals have been 
labelled "intersex" because of  the lack of or excess characteristics 
differentiating male from female.

Btw, would tenure protect a prof by asking a student to "drop the pants 
"if a 
 prof could not tell if the student was male or female?

 

Michael Sylvester,PhD

Daytona Beach,Florida









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Date:

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Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:50 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] Drop the pants!



 

 


Normally this would be the command we would give if we were trying to 
assess if someone wa
 s male or female.



However a track and field event has raised questions as to whether an 
alleged female athelete from South Africa



is he or a she.External characteristics like voice and muscular speed 
characteristics would indicate of a phenotypic male.This could be a 
teachable moment to discuss sex and gender in class.Apparently it will 
be DNA that will determine the sexuality.Some individuals have been 
labelled "intersex" because of  the lack of or excess characteristics 
differentiating male from female.



Btw, would tenure protect a prof by asking a student to "drop the pants 
"if a prof could not tell if the student was male or female?



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From:

Christopher D. Green <chri...@yorku.ca>



Subject:

Re: The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:15:51 -0400





Partly it is because  American public opinion has become increasingly 
out of step with the rest of the "developed" world on so many 
socio-political issues (education, government, crime, guns, drugs, 
abortion, welfare, health, etc.) over the past 30 years,
  that American 
attitudes are now just expected to be fairly "alien" and increasingly 
irrelevant to parallel debates in other countries. (This is not to say 
that American *should* line up with everyone else, just that they 
*don't*, and haven't for such a long time that it is regarded as a 
brute fact rather than a minor fluctuation on which there will 
eventually be more accord.)

On this particular case, I was astonished (well, not really) to hear 
many Americans (and a few Brits) ask rhetorically why this man should 
be shown any compassion because (if he indeed did it) he didn't show 
any compassion to those who were killed on the flight. Well, because I 
would think that we *
 want* to show more compassion than a cold-blooded 
mass murderer (even to a mass murderer), that's why. It seems quite 
bizarre that we would let our own moral sense be dictated by the moral 
sense of someone we have declared to be immoral.

Regards,
Chris Green
York U.
Toronto
==============

michael sylvester wrote:






The release of the Libyan terrorist by Scottish authorities so that he 
could spend his terminal days at home and with family is an example of 
differential cross-cultural attitudes between Europe and the U.S.

Obviously it demonstrates that Scottish judges took into account that 
there is more to justice than the tit-for-tat 20mentality of  the 
Americans. It is interesting that the Europeans weigh various aspects 
of consequences of certain actions and did not blindly reject the human 
element that to even in our worse hour , being compassionate

is truly the quintessential human quality. There are other attitudes 
that distinguishes Europeans from the Americans in terms of 
prostitution,addiction,euthanasia,death penalty and many other. One 
distinguishing characteristic between the two continents is that there 
is an ambivalence about values in U.S culture and Americans

appear to have a need to seek approval.As the cross-cultural dude on 
Tips,the Sottish justice system seem to take into account that justice 
may lead=2
 0to some incarceration,compassion is right and needs no 
consensus from across the ocean.We all regret the loss of lives,but two 
wrongs do not make a right.

This is beginning to remind me of bumper stickers I used to see in 
Florida "We don't care how you do it up North."

Europeans may be expressing a similar theme-"We don't care how you do 
it in the U.S" I understand that in some European countries even the a 
life sentence is viewed as cruel.

 

 

So Stuart Mc Kelvie-Hail Scotland!

 

Michael Sylvester.PhD

Daytona Beach,Florida


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From:

Rick Froman <rfro...@jbu.edu>



Subject:

RE: The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:58:59 -0500






Are there also cultures that think it is a good idea to welcome a mass 
murderer
of innocent people home with the equivalent of a ticker tape parade 
when they
had agreed that they
  would basically bring him in through the back door 
so he
could compassionately spend his final days with his family?

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman
rfro...@jbu.edu<mailto:rfro...@jbu.edu>
________________________________
From: michael sylvester [msylves...@copper.net]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:43 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] The compassion of Braveheart


The release of the Libyan terrorist by Scottish authorities so that he 
could
spend his terminal days at home and with family is an example of 
differential
cross-cultural attitudes between Europe and the U.S.
Obviously it demonstrates that Scottish judges took into account that 
there is
more to justice th
 an the tit-for-tat mentality of  the Americans. It is
interesting that the Europeans weigh various aspects of consequences of 
certain
actions and did not blindly reject the human element that to even in 
our worse
hour , being compassionate
is truly the quintessential human quality. There are other attitudes 
that
distinguishes Europeans from the Americans in terms of 
prostitution,addiction,euthanasia,death
penalty and many other. One distinguishing characteristic between the 
two
continents is that there is an ambivalence about values in U.S culture 
and
Americans
appear to have a need to seek approval.As the cross-cultural dude on 
Tips,the
Sottish justice system seem to take into account that justi
 ce may lead 
to some
incarceration,compassion is right and needs no consensus from across 
the
ocean.We all regret the loss of lives,but two wrongs do not make a 
right.
This is beginning to remind me of bumper stickers I used to see in 
Florida "We
don't care how you do it up North."
Europeans may be expressing a similar theme-"We don't care how you do 
it in the
U.S" I understand that in some European countries even the a life 
sentence is
viewed as cruel.


So Stuart Mc Kelvie-Hail Scotland!

Michael Sylvester.PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida


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From:

Stuart McKelvie <smcke...@ubishops.ca>



Subject:

RE: The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:25:15 -0400







Dear Michael and Other Tipsters,

 

On CNN, there was a very interesting interview with the Scottish 
politician who made the decision and accepted that “the buck stops 
here”. Despite goading by Wolf Blitzer that he would be forever 
associated with his decision and that he would have to live with it for 
the rest of his life, he stuck to a clear, well-formulated argument.

 

Agree or disagree with him, his plain speakin
 g was a welcome breath of 
fresh air.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/08/20/transcript.lockerbie.bomber/

 

All Hail, MacAskill!

 

Sincerely,

 

Stuart

 


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Department of Psychology,         Fax: 819 822 9661



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Canada.



 



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From: michael sylvester [mailto:msylves...@copper.net]
Sent: August 21, 2009 11:43 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] The compassion of Bravehear
 t



 

 


The release of the Libyan terrorist by Scottish authorities so that he 
could spend his terminal days at home and with family is an example of 
differential cross-cultural attitudes between Europe and the U.S.



Obviously it demonstrates that Scottish judges took into account that 
there is more to justice than the tit-for-tat mentality of  the 
Americans. It is interesting that the Europeans weigh various aspects 
of consequences of certain actions and did not blindly reject the human 
element that to even in our worse hour , being compassionate



is truly the quintessential human quality. There are other attitudes 
that distinguishes
  Europeans from the Americans in terms of 
prostitution,addiction,euthanasia,death penalty and many other. One 
distinguishing characteristic between the two continents is that there 
is an ambivalence about values in U.S culture and Americans



appear to have a need to seek approval.As the cross-cultural dude on 
Tips,the Sottish justice system seem to take into account that justice 
may lead to some incarceration,compassion is right and needs no 
consensus from across the ocean.We all regret the loss of lives,but two 
wrongs do not make a right.



This is beginning to remind me of bumper stickers I used to see in 
Florida "We don't care how you do it up North."



Eu
 ropeans may be expressing a similar theme-"We don't care how you do 
it in the U.S" I understand that in some European countries even the a 
life sentence is viewed as cruel.



 



 



So Stuart Mc Kelvie-Hail Scotland!



 



Michael Sylvester.PhD



Daytona Beach,Florida


 

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From:

Helweg-Larsen, Marie <helw...@dickinson.edu>



Subject:

RE: The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:31
 :48 -0400






I think that US and British officials *requested* a backdoor welcome. 
Obviously
that request was not granted.
It is always shocking to Americans when other countries really don't 
care what
the U.S. thinks or requests.
Marie


****************************************************
Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
Department Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
Kaufman 168, Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA 17013, office (717) 245-1562, fax (717) 245-1971
http://www.dickinson.edu/departments/psych/helwegm
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From: Rick Froman [mailto:rfro...@jbu.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sci
 ences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] The compassion of Braveheart

Are there also cultures that think it is a good idea to welcome a mass 
murderer
of innocent people home with the equivalent of a ticker tape parade 
when they
had agreed that they would basically bring him in through the back door 
so he
could compassionately spend his final days with his family?

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman
rfro...@jbu.edu<mailto:rfro...@jbu.edu>
________________________________
From: michael sylvester [msylves...@copper.net]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:43 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] The compassion of Braveheart


The release of the Libyan terrorist by Scottish authorities s
 o that he 
could
spend his terminal days at home and with family is an example of 
differential
cross-cultural attitudes between Europe and the U.S.
Obviously it demonstrates that Scottish judges took into account that 
there is
more to justice than the tit-for-tat mentality of  the Americans. It is
interesting that the Europeans weigh various aspects of consequences of 
certain
actions and did not blindly reject the human element that to even in 
our worse
hour , being compassionate
is truly the quintessential human quality. There are other attitudes 
that
distinguishes Europeans from the Americans in terms of 
prostitution,addiction,euthanasia,death
penalty and many other. One distinguishing character
 istic between the 
two
continents is that there is an ambivalence about values in U.S culture 
and
Americans
appear to have a need to seek approval.As the cross-cultural dude on 
Tips,the
Sottish justice system seem to take into account that justice may lead 
to some
incarceration,compassion is right and needs no consensus from across 
the
ocean.We all regret the loss of lives,but two wrongs do not make a 
right.
This is beginning to remind me of bumper stickers I used to see in 
Florida "We
don't care how you do it up North."
Europeans may be expressing a similar theme-"We don't care how you do 
it in the
U.S" I understand that in some European countries even the a life=2
 0
sentence is
viewed as cruel.


So Stuart Mc Kelvie-Hail Scotland!

Michael Sylvester.PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida


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From:

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Subject:

lost-hiker déjà vu



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:16:46 -0700







In this NY Times article, researchers discover that “lost-hiker déjà 
vu” does exist.

http://www.nytimes.com
 /2009/08/21/science/21circles.html.

An excerpt:

Dr. Souman, who studies multisensory perception, and his colleagues 
tracked the movements of volunteers sent into the wilds of a German 
forest and the desert sands of Tunisia. As long as the sun or moon was 
out, the volunteers were able to walk in a straight line, more or less. 
But on cloudy days or when there was no moon, they looped back on 
themselves, often several times.

Under those conditions, Dr. Souman said, the brain appears to be 
lacking a fundamental visual cue to help make sense of the jumble of 
other data it is receiving.

“The brain has different sources of information for almost everything,” 
said Dr
 . Souman, who admitted to having walked in circles for hours 
once in the urban jungle that is Istanbul. There is a complicated 
interplay of different senses, he said. Those cues — images flowing 
over the retina, the sense of acceleration or turning in the inner ear, 
even how the muscles and bones are moving — are combined in the brain 
to give a sense of where the body is going.

“But all those information sources are kind of relative,” Dr. Souman 
said. “They don’t tell you you are moving in the same direction as an 
hour ago.”

For that, a view of the sun or moon or a prominent landmark like a 
distant mountaintop seems necessary. 20“You need those kinds of absolute 
cues,” he said.

 

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College
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Subject:

Re: The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:49:31 -0400






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From: "Rick Froman" <rfro...@jbu.edu>
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)"
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Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: [tips] The compassion of Braveheart


Are there also cultures that think it is a good idea to welcome a mass
murderer of innocent people home with the equivalent of a ticker tape 
parade
when they had agreed 
 that they would basically bring him in through the 
back
door so he could compassionately spend his final days with his family?

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman
rfro...@jbu.edu<mailto:rfro...@jbu.edu>
________________________________

YES!

Michael










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From:

Mike Palij <m...@nyu.edu>



Subject:

What Will We Be Talking About Next Week?



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:26:57 -0400






The U.S. weekly newsmagazine Newsweek has an article on its
website by Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff that provides
some information from the Central Intelligence Agency's inspector
general's repo
 rt on the agency's use of "enhanced interrogation".
It turns out that the CIA use certain techniques that may not have
been approved in the White House legal memos, such as mock
execution.  See:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/213188

Quoting from the article:
|According to two sources-one who has read a draft of the
|paper and one who was briefed on it-the report describes
|how one detainee, suspected USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim
|al-Nashiri, was threatened with a gun and a power drill during
|the course of CIA interrogation. According to the sources, who
|like others quoted in this article asked not to be named while
|discussing sensitive information, Nashiri's interrogators brandished
|the gun in an effort to 20convince him that he was going to be shot.
|Interrogators also turned on a power drill and held it near him.
|"The purpose was to scare him into giving [information] up," said
|one of the sources. A federal law banning the use of torture
|expressly forbids threatening a detainee with "imminent death."

But perhaps even more disturbing is the following:

|Before leaving office, Bush administration officials confirmed
|that Nashiri was one of three CIA detainees subjected to 
waterboarding.
|They also acknowledged that Nashiri was one of two al Qaeda
|detainees whose detentions and interrogations were documented
|at length in CIA videotapes. But senior officials of the agency's
|undercover operations branch, the
  National Clandestine Service,
|ordered that the tapes be destroyed, an action which has been
|under investigation for over a year by a federal prosecutor.

The real question is why has the investigation been going on for
a year?

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu











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From:

Michael Smith <tipsl...@gmail.com>



Subject:

Re: The compassion of Braveheart



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:03:19 -0600






I think we also need to remember that it wasn't "Europeans" or "Brits" 
or the "Scots" who wanted the guy released. It was a single misguided 
indi
 vidual imposing his will on everyone involved. Another case of 
Judicial fiat by an irresponsible individual who no doubt thinks he can 
create a better world by forcing his opinion on everyone else.

 

--Mike

 



 

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<msylves...@copper.net> wrote:


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Subject: RE: [tips] The compassion of Braveheart


Are there also cultures that think it is a good idea to welcome a mass 
murderer of innocent people home with the e
 quivalent of a ticker tape 
parade when they had agreed that they would basically bring him in 
through the back door so he could compassionately spend his final days 
with his family?

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman
rfro...@jbu.edu<mailto:rfro...@jbu.edu>
________________________________


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Subject:

stats on iraq war vet suicides



Date:

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:41:38 -0700 (PDT)






I'
 ve been interested with the recent discussion of suicides among iraq 
war vets
given that my son is on his third year-long deployment over there. He 
asked me
for some stats because as far as he knows, this is mostly an 
over-reaction.

Well, I started to surf the web to find some concrete stats. I can't 
find any.
Here is one headline: Suicide Attempts for Vets Jump 500% in Five Years 
but no
source for the information. Now I'm a bit suspicious.

I know some of you are better at finding these things than I am, 
particularly
Mike P. Can you find anything?

Also, I'd like to know how the stats compare to say, 15 years ago for 
the
military and also to the g
 eneral public right now. There may be more 
going on
here and I'm always worried about how stats are being (mis)used.

Annette




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Professor of Psychology
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
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