I think you are referring to Richard Hake and I have been reading his posts avidly. I thought it was more of a taking to task than an attack and I thought it was right on. He is still posts regularly on POD and I enjoy his posts there. He promotes a better level of assessment of our outcomes. I think it's right on but as part of the assessment team at my university, I know that it's a 10-letter dirty word. However, I believe the potential for improvement is tremendous and we as psychologists should be in the forefront of the movement, and not willingly and avidly placing it in the hands of the education and ed-psych people. We will have no one to complain to but ourselves.
I'm a bit sorry that we were so narrow-minded about his posts. They could have readily been tolerated just like Louis' posts as they were not inflammatory nor prejudicial. They were simply taking psychologists to task for not putting their efforts where their mouths are when it comes to things like student learning outcomes, how best to effect assessments, and who are psychologists NOT at the forefront of this work? Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 [email protected] ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:06:41 -0400 >From: Steven Specht <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS >To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" <[email protected]> > >Well we did have that one other individual who was attacking the entire >enterprise of psychology. Remember, he was "found out" because of his >well-publicized attacks elsewhere and "moved on" pretty quickly. But >that's all I can remember in the past 15 years. > >On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> True true. I have been on for about that long too. thanks beth for >> giving me somerthing more to ponder..... >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular >> From: Beth Benoit <[email protected]> >> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:06:51 -0400 >> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences >> (TIPS)<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS >> >> >> John, >> >> I appreciate your Zen wisdom, and can appreciate the >> next-year-it-may-be-someone-else concept, but since 1993 (my first >> year on TIPS), no one on TIPS has ever made the suggestion that >> someone be removed. I think that's a pretty good record of tolerance. >> >> Beth Benoit >> Granite State College >> Plymouth State University >> New Hampshire >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, John Kulig <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Claudia .. thanks, you inspired me to throw in $.02 >>> >>> I'm only an amateur when it comes to social psychology, but I am >>> pretty sure scapegoating always happens in groups sooner or later. >>> When you study scapegoating (e.g. the French anthropologist Rene >>> Girard) you realize scapegoats usually bring it on themselves (more >>> or less), they are never randomly drawn from the population ... so >>> the group is also a participant. >>> >>> While I understand the desire to "vote" on whether one person should >>> be excluded, I will not do it. It feels too ugly to me. ALL groups >>> end up with someone who we think deserves to be kicked out, but I >>> would rather try to buck Girard-like "human nature" and fill posts >>> with other threads. I think it's a signal-to-noise ratio issue. I do >>> not want to start a tradition of voting on exclusion. I think it is a >>> bad road to start down. Also, the internet is inherently open and >>> that will not change unless TIPs becomes a gated community which I >>> would oppose. That being said, most posters on ANY group will tick >>> others off sooner or later, and some people will routinely tick off >>> most everyone. It's the nature of the medium. >>> >>> FINALLY, let's take advantage of social diffusion. An email stares >>> at YOU in the face, but it is actually directed at no one person in >>> particular, it is - electronically - diffused across all members of >>> the group. Remember the old zen habit of visualizing a person's >>> comments as an arrow that may be aimed at you, but then flies past >>> you. One more finally: maybe there is something in human nature that >>> always itches for a fight. I am (half) mystified why people cannot >>> resisting responding to posts they want extinguished. If one person >>> is voted on, there may be another next year and that's not a >>> tradition I want to see started. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------- >>> John W. Kulig >>> Professor of Psychology >>> Plymouth State University >>> Plymouth NH 03264 >>> -------------------------- >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Claudia Stanny" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:58:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >>> Eastern >>> Subject: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post >>> initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts >>> that use offensive language. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am saddened that TIPS has devolved into a sandbox of abusive and >>> semi-abusive posts. >>> >>> I am offended by the posts that initiate these threads. >>> >>> I am ashamed of the manner in which some members respond to these >>> threads. >>> >>> I have been ashamed of some of my own responses to these threads. >>> >>> I may yet regret this response. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, if it serves to assist Bill in his efforts to restore >>> civility and purpose to the culture of this list, I will take this >>> risk. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Bill, for all you have done to create this community. It has >>> been a beneficial component of my scholarly community over the years. >>> If I can help contribute to sustaining that community, I will do what >>> I can. >>> >>> >>> >>> At present, I’ve adopted silence as my strategy, but I realize that >>> this strategy also creates some unpleasant unintended consequences. >>> >>> >>> >>> Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. >>> >>> Director, Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment >>> >>> Associate Professor, Psychology >>> >>> University of West Florida >>> >>> Pensacola, FL 32514 – 5751 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: (850) 857-6355 or 473-7435 >>> >>> e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/cutla/ >>> >>> Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To make changes to your subscription contact: >>> >>> Bill Southerly ([email protected]) >>> >>> --- >>> To make changes to your subscription contact: >>> >>> Bill Southerly ([email protected]) >> >> --- >> To make changes to your subscription contact: >> >> Bill Southerly ([email protected]) >> >> --- >> To make changes to your subscription contact: >> >> Bill Southerly ([email protected]) >> > > >======================================================== >Steven M. Specht, Ph.D. >Professor of Psychology >Chair, Department of Psychology >Utica College >Utica, NY 13502 >(315) 792-3171 > >"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of >comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and >controversy." >Martin Luther King Jr. > > >--- >To make changes to your subscription contact: > >Bill Southerly ([email protected]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([email protected])
