Mike,

Stopping the mouths of lions is a frequent biblical metaphor for God taking
care of those who are faithful to him.  That's the case in Daniel 6:18-24 to
which your student refers. Notice that in the last verse of that pericope
the evil people who had falsely accused Daniel are torn to pieces before
they even hit the bottom.

Other lion passages include Ps. 57:4f; Ps. 91:11ff.

This "saving" and the earlier one from Dan. 3, are summarized in Hebrews 11
where an event from 1 Maccabees 5 is thrown in for good measure.

Check out these other Christian scripture references to lions:

1 Peter 5:8, but better 2 Tim. 4: 17 where Paul says he was  rescued  from
the lion's mouth, or 1 Cor. 15:32 where he says he fought with wild beasts.

Although Daniel may be as old as the time it describes (c. 165 BCE), the
lion metaphor is used frequently in the martyr stories popular in the early
christian church.

I hope this useful.  Oh, read those first few chapters of Daniel.  Your
student's understanding of what Daniel is all about is skewed.  True, Daniel
has been picked up and people have misinterpreted it in apocalyptic terms,
but that's another matter.  There's some great stuff on apocalyptic
predictions that didn't come true on the skeptical inquirer web site.

Al

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael J. Kane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Skepticism, Science, Religion, and Respect


Hi all,

I turn to you for wisdom in how to respond to a student...

I teach a "Weird Beliefs" course in which we critically examine
Psi/ESP, among other things.  We covered the Psi portion of
the course several weeks ago, and we discussed recovered/
false memories today.  Interestingly, my question involves
responding to the former issue, rather than the latter.

At the end of each class I take attendance by having everyone
spend 5 minutes writing informally about their thoughts on
the lecture, and/or any questions they might still have.  Students
turn these in and I always provide written responses to any 
questions.

Today a student turned in the following question at the end of 
her paper, and I'd like your thoughts about how to respond to 
it:

"Not to get off the subject, but I found out that there was a
 prophet named Daniel in the Bible who was thrown in a
 cave full of lions because he had the power to see the 
 future or something.  My thing is if this type of stuff which is
 like a psychic power is in the Bible, that must mean there
 is some type of proof about the psychic world.  Right !?"

In our class discussions of Psi, we talked not only about the 
reasoning/perception/memory errors that might contribute to
paranormal belief, but also talked about the history of 
experimental Psi research, with all its problems and weak-
nesses.  So I don't think that regurgitating the facts is 
going to have an impact here.  

I am struggling with striking the proper balance between
respecting her religious faith and fulfilling my obligation as
a critical-thinking teacher by explaining why a Biblical story 
"don't make it so" by scientific standards.  I'm also not
sure whether she's claiming that because the Bible says
it it's true, or that the Bible wouldn't say it unless there were
other, corraborating sources of evidence, too.  

Any advice on an approach?

-Mike


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