Tipsters: I found more information on the N-1 issue. Here is the _logic_ of
"N-1". Quotes are from Toothaker's "Introductory Statistics", 1996, edition 2,
Brooks/Cole (note: X-bar = mean of a sample).

Take the top half of the variance formula: ADD (X - Mu)^2. Since we do not know
Mu, we substitute X-bar. "Remember that X-bar minimizes the sum of the squared
deviations. That is, ADD (X - X-bar)^2 is as small as it can be and thus
smaller than ADD (X - Mu)^2. By this least squares property of Mean, when X-bar
is substituted for Mu in ADD (X - Mu)^2, S becomes too small."

There is an additional part that explains why it is N-1 (as opposed to N-2).
Here is is :

Mean of sampling distribution of ADD (X - Mu)^2 = N*sigma^2    (This is the
"trust me" part)

If we substitute X-bar for Mu, we get

Mean of sampling distribution of ADD (X - X-bar)^2 = N*sigma^2 - sigma^2

Thus, the numerator is too small by the amount (sigma^2). Rewrite (N*sigma^2 -
sigma^2) as (sigma^2(N-1)) gives the solution:

Mean of sampling distribution of ADD (X - X-bar)^2 = sigma^2(N-1).

"Because ADD (X - X-bar)^2 has an average value of sigma^2(N-1), all you have
to do is divide this numerator by N-1 and you have an unbiased estimate ..":

sigma^2 = (ADD (X - X-bar)^2) / (N-1)

WHEW! I guess I am convinced. But I am puzzled as to why some argue N-1 is not
a good way to get rid of the bias. This is now officially beyond my ability to
comprehend. I think I have one "life line" left that I may call later today. If
I can get a hold of this person I may have more info. btw, Toothaker lists as a
reference in this section:
Marascuilo & McSweeney (1977) _Nonparametric and distribution-free methods for
the social sciences_. Brooks/Cole.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Why is 1 the magic number?  I see how it makes more radical corrections for
> smaller sample sizes.  But was it chosen for a theoretical or practical
> considerations.

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