The tail flick might work.

I was thinking of training rats in a chamber, sounding a tone and then
administering the US.  I've worked with rabbits, but rats cannot be
restrained in such a fashion to deliver a puff of air to the eye.  I expect
that the rats would be freely moving (which might make focused light for
tail flick difficult).  I know the rabbit model of conditioning has been
adapted to rats, but it uses shock as a US.

I was wondering if anyone has tested a rat's response to other stimuli, like
a gust of air, a squirt of water, or agitation of the platform.  Do they
freeze, do they become desensitized (I ask because I will need some reliable
measure of the animal's response - without giving the animal the option of
avoiding the stimuli)?

Thank you again,
Deanna Buck

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From: Stephen Black
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Sent: 12/4/00 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: any alternatives for shock as a US?

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Buck, Deanna (NINDS) wrote:

> I'm interested in using a classical conditioning paradigm with rats,
but
> would like to use something other than shock as a US.
> 
> I've thought about generating a burst of air, or even water (somehow,
> maybe... I don't know).

Well, I think it would be helpful if we knew a bit more about
what you had in mind, but off the top of my head how about:

1) lithium chloride poisoning (a US for learned aversions)

2) the tail-flick test I just mentioned in my last post about
   ketamine? Tail heating by focused light--> tail flick.

-Stephen

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