Quoting Bobbie Turniansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi Bobbie, thanks for the introduction.

And I'd like to second your other point--I also try to encourage students to 
write outlines, but I also never could do one very successfully--I find that 
listing my ideas, and then reorganizing them in some coherent fashion helps. so 
I encourage students to do some form of planning, whether outline or anything 
else. But I also find true outlining to be a problem for me.

annette
> 
> 2. The main point of this message is to respond to Nathalie's "outlining
> crusade".  Nathalie, I can only beg you to be flexible with this. Outlining
> is good for linear thinkers. Those, like me, who see structure only after
> the work is partially finished will grind to a halting stop if asked to
> make an outline.  Alternatively, they will write a secret first draft
> and then make you the outline.  I had a similar problem during my
> doctoral work and after 2 months I finally asked my instructor if he was
> more interested in the outline or the work.  Luckily, he answered the
latter.
> 
> Bobbie Turniansky
> Kaye College of Education
> Beer Sheva
> ISRAEL
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nathalie Cote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I'm on a crusade this semester to encourage them
> > to write an outline before they write the first draft.

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