Very helpful Mike.  Thx for these links.  Checking into them now.

Michael A. Britt, Ph.D.
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On Jun 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Mike Palij wrote:

> Although the presentation below might represent a coherent account
> of how Piaget's theory of schemas operate, it might mislead people
> because schema theory has come a long way since Piaget.  Indeed,
> for people working in AI, they date the origins of schema to Kant
> and use Frederic Bartlett's use of schema as their starting point.
> Minsky provides a re-interpretation for use in AI programming,
> Rumelhart & Norman reinterpreted it for contemporary cognitive
> psychology.  There is an entry on "Schema (psychology)" on
> Wikipedia but in my opinion it is inadequate (a Google search
> turns up many sources for the development of schema in the
> past few decades).  To see how Wikipedia treats this topic, see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_%28psychology%29
> 
> Another view of the development of schema theory is provided
> by Gureckis and Goldstone in their entry on "Schema" in "The
> Cambridge Encyclopedia of the Language Sciences"; See:
> http://cognitrn.psych.indiana.edu/rgoldsto/pdfs/schemaforlanguage.pdf
> Goldstone makes a number of papers from his research group available
> on his website; see:
> http://cognitrn.psych.indiana.edu/papers.html
> He also provides access to 10 "classic" articles from the journal "Cognitive
> Science"; see:
> http://cognitrn.psych.indiana.edu/rgoldsto/cogsci/classics.html
> 
> People in AI might emphasize different aspects of the development of
> schema theory while people in education might trace the development
> through the work of R.C. Anderson. Even the Gestalists have been
> implicated in the development of the concept of schemas.
> 
> So, in summary, maybe an accurate portrayal of Piaget's concepts but
> not of current schema theory.  YMMV.
> 
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> [email protected]
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------------------
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:47:54 -0700, Michael Britt wrote:
> As many of you probably heard, same-sex marriages are now legal here in New 
> York.  I've heard a few things lately that made me wonder whether the pro and 
> con attitudes toward this issue didn't have something to do with Piaget's 
> concept of schema, assimilation and accommodation.  Feel free to let me know 
> if 
> you think I've got this right or if I'm off-base here.
> 
> My guess is that if your scheme for the concept of "marriage" is primarily 
> the 
> idea that marriage is a union between a woman and a man, then you could 
> easily 
> assimilate a few variations on this, such as a) a union between an older man 
> and a younger woman (and vice versa), and b) a union between a man of one 
> color 
> to that of a woman of another (again, and vice versa).  You could easily 
> assimilate these observations into your existing schema of "marriage".
> 
> However, a union between and man and a man or a woman and a woman would 
> probably require this person to accommodate - restructure their definition of 
> "marriage".  I'm guessing that for many people who have been brought up to 
> have 
> a tight definition of marriage (man and woman), the accommodation of this 
> definition to include two people of the same sex is difficult.
> 
> On the other hand, if your schema for "marriage" is primarily the idea that 
> marriage is a union between two people who love each other, then a gay 
> marriage 
> is more a case of assimilation than accommodation.  Am I right here?
> 
> On a not unrelated note, I was recently watching the first "Pirates of the 
> Caribbean" movie and I saw another example of assimilation vs. accommodation 
> (got Piaget on the brain I guess).  Early in this movie Jack Sparrow said to 
> Will that Will's father was both "a pirate and a good man".  Will had trouble 
> accepting this because, from Piaget's perspective, the two schema, "pirate" 
> and 
> "good man" are very different and usually don't evoke each other.  Will had 
> trouble accommodating "pirate" to include "good man".
> 
> Just checking to make sure this isn't too far fetched of an application of 
> the 
> concepts of schema, accommodation and assimilation.  Feedback welcome.
> 
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