Thanks, Pat. I used K&S ca. 1956. My memory's not bad, but not really good, either. D
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Pat <patdat...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > I perused through my copy and did not see the cartoon. There were, however, > a few drawings. > > Pat > > Sent from my iPad > Patricia D'Ateno, Ph.D, BCBA-D > Adjunct Assistant Professor > Department of Psychology > Queens College > Flushing, NY > > > On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:14 PM, David Hogberg <dhogb...@albion.edu> wrote: > > > > > Having been assigned K&S as an undergraduate, I remember that there were a > few graphs and tables contained in it, but, to the best of my knowledge, it > had neither photographs nor drawings. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Ken Steele < <steel...@appstate.edu> > steel...@appstate.edu> wrote: > >> >> Fred Keller and Bill Schoenfeld started an undergrad lab at Columbia >> University in 1947 which featured training a rat to press a lever for food >> pellets. >> >> So the likely date for the Columbia Jester cartoon is between 1947 and >> 1956. >> >> Keller and Schoenfeld published a 1950 textbook, Principles of Psychology. >> (Jeez, how many times has that title been used?) My library doesn't have a >> copy and so I couldn't check to see if that cartoon appeared in the text. >> >> BTW, Keller was a Morse Code telegrapher. >> >> See <http://tinyurl.com/3kb2hrj>http://tinyurl.com/3kb2hrj >> >> The story I was taught was that the pigeon manipulanda (a.k.a. "pigeon >> key") of the operant chamber was designed/inspired/adapted by Fred Keller's >> telegrapher background. >> >> (If you have ever seen a pigeon key then it is easy to see that it is a >> telegraph key, a simple lever with an electrical contact point on one side >> and a pressing location on the other side. Functionally it worked the same >> way. The break of electrical contact was the significant event.) >> >> >> Ken >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**--- >> Kenneth M. Steele, Ph.D. <steel...@appstate.edu> >> steel...@appstate.edu >> Professor >> Department of Psychology <http://www.psych.appstate.edu> >> http://www.psych.appstate.edu >> Appalachian State University >> Boone, NC 28608 >> USA >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**--- >> >> >> >> >> On 8/23/2011 12:15 PM, Ken Steele wrote: >> >>> >>> I just checked Skinner's "Case History" and no date is given to >>> the cartoon. The paper was published in 1956 so the cartoon >>> can't have been done after 1956. The cartoon is definitely an >>> operant conditioning procedure (as opposed to maze-learning, >>> etc.) and likely reflects the influence of Fred Keller. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> ------------ >>> Kenneth M. Steele, Ph. <d.steel...@appstate.edu>d.steel...@appstate.edu >>> Professor and Assistant Chairperson >>> Department of Psychologyhttp://www.psych.**<http://www.psych.appstate.edu> >>> appstate.edu >>> Appalachian State University >>> Boone, NC 28608 >>> USA >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> ------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/23/2011 11:17 AM, John Kulig wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike and others still interested in when the Jester published >>>> the Skinner cartoon ... >>>> >>>> The date of 1928 for that cartoon "Boy, have I got this guy >>>> conditioned ..." did seem out of whack, yet it appears all over >>>> the place. Skinner got his MA and PhD from Harvard in 1930 and >>>> 1931. His "Case History in Scientific Method" describes the >>>> evolution of the runway into an "operant" type device while at >>>> Harvard, including type of cumulative record. His earliest >>>> publications are: >>>> >>>> On the conditions of elicitation of certain eating reflexes. >>>> Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 1930, 16, 433-38. >>>> >>>> On the inheritance of maze behavior. Journal of General >>>> Psychology, 1930, 4, 342-46. >>>> >>>> The progressive increase in the geotropic response of the ant >>>> Aphaenogaster. Journal of General Psychology, 1930, 4, 102-12. >>>> >>>> The concept of the reflex in the description of behavior. >>>> Journal of General Psychology, 1931, 5, 427-58. >>>> >>>> >>>> So 1928 seems unlikely if not totally implausible. I think "The >>>> Behavior of Organisms" may nail it down better. Will try to >>>> find ... >>>> >>>> having a hard time letting this issue go! >>>> >>>> John K >>>> >>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >>>> *From: *"Mike Palij" < <m...@nyu.edu>m...@nyu.edu> >>>> *To: *"Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" >>>> < <tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu>tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu> >>>> *Cc: *"Mike Palij" < <m...@nyu.edu>m...@nyu.edu> >>>> *Sent: *Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:49:49 PM >>>> *Subject: *re: [tips] info: >>>> >>>> On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:16:07 -0700, John Kulig wrote regarding >>>> the cartoon showing two rats saying "Boy, have I got this guy >>>> conditioned...":vad >>>> >Yes it appeared in cumulative record .... memory says - don't >>>> quote - that it >>>> >originally appeared in the columbia university student paper >>>> The Jester in 1928 >>>> >>>> It is Figure 17 in "Cumulative Record", around page 122 (I >>>> can't find my >>>> hardcopy of CR but a snippet view of CR is available on >>>> <http://books.google.com>books.google.com >>>> and that's where I got my info). >>>> >>>> However, where the cartoon originally appeared and when is a >>>> bit more >>>> troublesome. From what is provided in CR and several other >>>> sources where >>>> the cartoon is provided, it refers to the Columbia "Jester" as >>>> the source but >>>> there is no reference for it nor a date. >>>> >>>> Technically, the source is likely to be the "Jester of >>>> Columbia", which is >>>> more of a magazine than a newspaper. It was first published on >>>> April 1, >>>> 1901 and it appears that it became defunct last year. There is >>>> a website >>>> for the magazine but it has not been kept up to date; see: >>>> <http://jesterofcolumbia.net/page/3/>http://jesterofcolumbia.net/** >>>> page/3/ >>>> >>>> A Worldcat search of libraries showed that the NY Public >>>> Library (the >>>> one on 42nd St and 5th Avenue, the one with the lions out front and >>>> which was used for such movies as "Ghostbusters" and "Day After >>>> Tomorrow") has a couple of volumes and a note that says that around >>>> 1955 the name was changed to "The Jester". I was surprised that >>>> Columbia's library did not show up but I'll go to Clio later to >>>> see if >>>> they have a complete run somewhere. >>>> >>>> I'm curious about the date of publication for the cartoon. My >>>> first >>>> reaction to the 1928 date was "who was conditioning rats in 1928?" >>>> If I'm not mistaken, Skinner wrote about conditioning with rats >>>> in the >>>> mid- to late 1930s (e.g., "The Behavior of Organisms"). I was also >>>> under the impression the Skinner was the first to do research on >>>> rats and bar-pressing. Perhaps John got the date wrong. However, >>>> this raises the question of what is the actual date of the >>>> cartoon's >>>> publication? Do any Tipsters know? >>>> >>>> Or does this initiate another "Great Hunt" for the reference >>>> for the >>>> cartoon? ;-) >>>> >>>> -Mike Palij >>>> New York University >>>> <m...@nyu.edu>m...@nyu.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: <dhogb...@albion.edu> >> dhogb...@albion.edu. >> To unsubscribe click here: >> <http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c7628e&n=T&l=tips&o=12158> >> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/**u?id=13152.** >> d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c762**8e&n=T&l=tips&o=12158 >> or send a blank email to leave-12158-13152.** >> d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c762**<leave-12158-13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c76...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> >> 8...@fsulist.frostburg.edu >> > > > > -- > David K. 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