My apologies. I misread the original post. I thought it was about getting into grad school with an undergrad degree from Phoenix, not about getting a traditional (academic?) position with graduate degrees from there.
Although one can focus on the perceived quality of for-profit ed (and I think Mark has hit on a critical roadblock), the more general issue is: are you going to be at the top of a pool of a hundred or more applications or are you putting obstacles in your way? One of the problems graduate students have in making the transition to the job market is that they have always been in a relatively non-competitive environment (despite what they might think) -- everyone who reaches a certain criterion is going to get their PhD. Schools don't quota the number of PhDs that they give per year so that, say, only the top few can get a degree and everyone else will be forced to try again next year (or the year after that...). Getting a job, especially in the current market, is an entirely different proposition -- there are only so many posts, and in order to get one you have to be better than everyone else who applied. There is no "minimum criterion" that will get you the job. When you consider that a lot of jobs have 100 or more applicants now, that means the search committee's first pass through the applications is going to be about weeding out 90% of those applications so that the can focus on the top 10% and, ultimately, hire just one person. Degree from school of dubious reputation? Out. No postdoc? Out. Not enough (first author) publications? Out. Letters that say less than you walk on water? Out. It isn't that rough with every singe job, but the idea that you're going to be able to slide by with less-than-extraordinary qualifications and get a tenure-track job these days is not terribly realistic. There are just too many extraordinary people out there for that to be very likely. Chris --- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada [email protected] http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ ========================= On 2012-10-19, at 7:29 AM, Mark Casteel wrote: > Hi Michael. As I understand it, APA will not accredit a fully on-line > doctoral program, so none of the PhD programs at Phoenix have APA > accreditation. If your listener were applying for a job to a traditional > institution where both research and teaching are emphasized for a job, this > would likely be a deal breaker. I would also expect this person would have > fewer (if any) publications coming out of an on-line program, which would > also be a big problem. > > ******************* > Mark A. Casteel, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Psychology > Penn State York > 1031 Edgecomb Avenue > York, PA 17403 > (717) 771-4028 > ******************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Britt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:14 AM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: [tips] Opinion of University of Phoenix > > One of my listeners is currently getting her BA in psych from UoP and was > thinking of going on to getting a Master's and a Ph.D. from there. She's > worried about how these degrees from UoP will be looked upon by traditional > schools when she goes applying for jobs. I have to admit I might be more > than a bit curious as to exactly what classes she took and what field > experiences she had as part of the program (especially if it's a clinical > position obviously) and of course I'd look carefully at her dissertation to > see if it was good quality research. Other thoughts? How would you look > upon a candidate with a degree from UoP? > > Michael > > Michael A. Britt, Ph.D. > [email protected] > http://www.ThePsychFiles.com > Twitter: mbritt > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3dba&n=T > &l=tips&o=21161 > or send a blank email to > leave-21161-13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5340 - Release Date: 10/18/12 > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=21162 > or send a blank email to > leave-21162-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=21167 or send a blank email to leave-21167-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
