From: "Mike Palij" <[email protected]>
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:42:38 -0800, Paul C Bernhardt wrote:
I've not seen the movie, don't intend to, either.
That's okay. There is no need for anyone to actually access
sources in order to talk about a subject. Researchers do it
all the time when they just read the abstract of an article. 1/2 ;-)
I've known about sock puppets for decades. This is just a
personal version of sock puppet from what I can see.
I think that you might mean "romantic" instead of "personal" but
perhaps you mean something else. In any event, sock puppets
serve a very different purpose from a catfish. I'll leave it to the
reader as an exercise to distinguish between the two.
I was making a point, I thought, about the impossibility of us
knowing whom others in our online lives may actually be (or
not be). what do we really know about each other?
Can I really know you are the actual Mike Palij of New York
University, or some dunderhead that is using his persona and
that the real Mike Palij of New York University is either ignorant
of this deception or does not care about it. can you prove it?
Anyone claiming an academic affiliation and is using the email
account provided by their institution can be easily identified if
one can get a complete email from that person. Long time internet
users with any real experience with internet and Usenet culture
have been verifying users since the 1980s. Perhaps you are unfamiliar
with the header structure of email message? For one source, see:
http://whatismyipaddress.com/email-header
Sock puppets and catfish don't use such systems because they
can be easily caught, instead they use commercial ISPs and mail
services where the service providers vary in how much they care
about investigating any particular user unless done under a court
order.
You could verify that I am NYU's Palij by getting an email from me
and going over the header. Consider the header from the Tips Digest
I receive via email:
Delivered-To: [email protected]
This identifies my email address at NYU. Hard to fake an *.edu address.
The long version of the trip the email took through the internet is below.
Technically, one should read from the bottom up because the sender info
is at the bottom and the receiver info is at the top. The intermediate
"Received from" statements identify which systems the email traveled
through.
Received: by 10.182.106.232 with SMTP id gx8csp171695obb;
Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:00:48 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.220.156.10 with SMTP id
u10mr18133360vcw.28.1358744448109;
Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:00:48 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from gmx2.home.nyu.edu (GMX12.HOME.NYU.EDU. [128.122.118.139])
by mx.google.com with ESMTP id
u10si10297679vdv.131.2013.01.20.21.00.47;
Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:00:48 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 128.122.118.246 is neither permitted
nor denied by best guess >record for domain of
[email protected]) client-ip=128.122.118.246;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
spf=neutral (google.com: 128.122.118.246 is neither permitted nor
denied by best guess record for domain of
[email protected])
smtp.mail=bounce-23198->[email protected]
Received: from mx6.nyu.edu (MX6.NYU.EDU [128.122.118.246])
by gmx2.home.nyu.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0L50bFT011808
< for <[email protected]>; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:37 -0500 (EST)
Received: from r1.home.nyu.edu (R1.HOME.NYU.EDU [128.122.118.240])
by mx6.nyu.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0L50WEU009820
for <[email protected]>; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:35 -0500 (EST)
Received: from fsulist.frostburg.edu ([131.118.80.20])
by r1.home.nyu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jan 2013 00:00:35 -0500
The information below is self-explanatory.
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:01 -0400
Subject: tips digest: January 20, 2013
To: "tips digest recipients" <[email protected]>
From: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) digest"
<[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)"
<[email protected]>
Precedence: bulk
The ID given the digest email sent from the Lyris program.
Message-Id:
<LYR!S-13415-23198-2013.01.21-00.00.01--mp26#[email protected]>
Note: ! was substituted in Lyris above because the Lyris program doesn't
like messages that contain full header info
One would have to be extremely knowledgeable about header structure
in order to fake who received it and sent it. Moreover, there are logs of
emails that are received and sent which can be checked to verify whether
the header info is correct. Finally, one can always call the institution
and ask is the person working there or affiliated with it (something that
can also be done by using the staff directory on the institution's website
though this is not always up to date).
Can I?
You sure can. Just ask me to send you an email. Or ask Bill for a
full copy of one of my posts to Tips.
However, if I were to suddenly start using a commercial ISP and mail
service, it would be a lot harder to verify who I am. But, as the movie
"Catfish" shows, it can be done. But you would know that if you saw
the movie.
-Mike Palij
New York University
[email protected]
On Jan 21, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
I really must ask this question of Paul:
Have you seen the movie "Catfish"?
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