Paul,

Back in the 1990s I was on the full-time faculty of Yeshiva University
for five years and taught in both the men's undergraduate college
(Yeshiva College) and the women's undergraduate college (Stern
College).  During one of the experimental psychology lecture classes
we were discussing the implications of a memory experiment we
had just conducted (I believe it was the Brown-Peterson distractor
task) and a couple of the men started having a heated discussion
about the interpretation.  I said calm down and let's discuss this
systematically.  One of the students replied to me:

"Hey Professor, you know what they say:  get three Jews together,
get five different opinions."

So, I am not surprised that there are differing views about things
including the 613 Mizvot. ;-)

-Mike Palij
New York University
[email protected]


On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:49:58 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote:
Mike:

You are right that a Rabbi would be referring to the 613 Mizvot compiled by
Maimonides.
The Christian 10 are often broken down into 13 or so; the Christian first
becoming
1. To know there is a G-d--Exodus 20:2
2. Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him--Exodus 20:3

3. To know that He is one--Deuteronomy 6:4

4. To love Him--Deuteronomy 6:5

5. To fear Him--Deuteronomy 10:20

And of course all 613 cannot be obeyed at present because some refer to the
Temple in Jerusalem.
So few Rabbis (even among the Orthodox few) today would say that one must rigidly obey all 613. However saying that one must obey the Mizvot would refer
to the body of 613; not to the first few.

The context of my original comment:
We live about 85 miles from the nearest synagogue.
On weekends we drove the kids up for Sunday school.
I was discussing with the Rabbi what to do in bad winter weather
(we have some in Minnesota, the Land of the Frozen Chosen);
His comment was that the Torah says that we should -live- by these
commandments, so safety first. Studying Torah is important, but not to the
point of risking one's life.

As for 358 below, I found a slightly more coherent translation:
"The rapist must marry his victim if she is unwed - Deut.  22:29"
There is no universal numbering system, but Deut. 22:29 is always the same
(although translations vary), but 358 can be all sorts of things.


On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Mike Palij wrote:

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:11:40 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote:

As my favorite Rabbi said:
The Torah says 'Thou shalt -live- by these commandments'.
When in doubt, do what is necessary to go on living.

Which commandments are you referring to? The 10 that
Christians know or the 613 Commandments?  For the
latter, see:
http://bethaderech.com/list-of-the-613-commandments/

My favorite one is the following which seems to have been forgotten
by many:
235 Not lending to another person at interest. Vayikra (Leviticus) 25:37

Then again, there are others that are observed:
326 Not to work on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year). Vayikra (Leviticus)
23:25

And then there are just some head scratchers:
358 Divorce not wife, that he has to marry after raping her. Devarim
(Deuteronomy) 22:29

So many rules, so little time.


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