Paul writes: >But, rather than nit pick over these details, what do you think about Monbiot's >larger point about the rentier capitalism operation of academic publishers?
The main point I made in my original posting was to express my agreement with Monbiot that from my own experience the charges for accessing papers in academic journals was "exorbitant". Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London allenester...@compuserve.com http://www.esterson.org -------------------------------------------- From: Paul C Bernhardt <pcbernha...@frostburg.edu<mailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu>> Subject: Re: Academic Publishers Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 I say it was likely because the newspaper business is in flux and changes in the paywall systems have changed fairly regularly within specific newspapers. Obviously, I defer to your knowledge as a subscriber to the Times and Sunday Times. I speak from experience with some US newspapers. But, rather than nit pick over these details, what do you think about Monbiot's larger point about the rentier capitalism operation of academic publishers? Paul Attached Message From: Allen Esterson <allenester...@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Academic Publishers Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 04:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Having onoccasion paid up online for an academic paper at an exorbitant price I concur withthe gist of George Monbiot's article cited by Karl Wuensch: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/29/academic-publishers-murdoch-socialist However, thisstatement does not represent the full facts about the paywall in relation tothe Times and Sunday Times: "Youmight resent Murdoch's paywall policy, in which he charges £1 for 24 hours ofaccess to the Times and Sunday Times." This is thecase for people without a subscription who want to access specific articles,but the basic subscription covering both the Times and Sunday Times (which havedifferent editors and journalists) is £2 per week. (The Sunday Times alonecosts £2.50.) Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London allenester...@compuserve.com http://www.esterson.org ------------------------------------------- From: Wuensch, Karl L <wuens...@ecu.edu> Subject: Academic Publishers Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 21:57:00 +0000 Open-sourcepublishers are not the only sharks in the sea. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/29/academic-publishers-murdoch-socialist Cheers, KarlL. Wuensch, Professor and ECU Scholar/Teacher, Dept. of Psychology East Carolina University, Greenville NC 27858-4353, USA, Earth Voice: 252-328-9420 Fax: 252-328-6283 http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm Attached Message From: Paul C Bernhardt <pcbernha...@frostburg.edu> Subject: Re: Academic Publishers Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 13:43:46 +0000 It is likely the paywall scheme for the Times and Sunday Times has changed since Monbiot's article was written in 2011. Paul On Oct 6, 2013, at 4:12 AM, Allen Esterson wrote: Having on occasion paid up online for an academic paper at an exorbitant price I concur with the gist of George Monbiot's article cited by Karl Wuensch: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/29/academic-publishers-murdoch-socialist However, this statement does not represent the full facts about the paywall in relation to the Times and Sunday Times: "You might resent Murdoch's paywall policy, in which he charges £1 for 24 hours of access to the Times and Sunday Times." This is the case for people without a subscription who want to access specific articles, but thebasic subscription covering both the Times and Sunday Times (which have different editors and journalists) is £2 per week. (The Sunday Times alone costs £2.50.) Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London allenester...@compuserve.com http://www.esterson.org ------------------------------------------- From: Wuensch, Karl L <wuens...@ecu.edu> Subject: Academic Publishers Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 21:57:00 +0000 Open-source publishers are not the only sharks in the sea. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/29/academic-publishers-murdoch-socialist Cheers, Karl L. Wuensch, Professor and ECU Scholar/Teacher, Dept. of Psychology East Carolina University, Greenville NC 27858-4353, USA, Earth Voice: 252-328-9420 Fax: 252-328-6283 http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003&n=T&l=tips&o=28517 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-28517-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=28544 or send a blank email to leave-28544-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
