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Jim Clark
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Palij [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 1:29 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Michael Palij
Subject: Tu Youyou and Project 523 (was [tips] Homeopathic inspired Nobel prize

Okay, a few points:

(0) Many Asian names have the family name first followed by their given name 
while Europeans-Americans reverse the order. So, the Asian name Tu Youyou 
follows traditional Chinese order while in the U.S. we would say Youyou Tu.  
The Japanese also follow this practice and the most confusing example of this 
is given by the great baseball player Ichiro Suzuki (U.S. order) who has a 
baseball jersey with his first name on it instead of the traditional last name; 
for example, see:
http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=23260256&CAWELAID=820564910000237863&CAGPSPN=pla&kpid=16570160&pla=pla_16570160&KPID=16570160
Apparently he used Suzuki Ichiro when he signed up and Americans being American 
thought Ichiro was his last name.

(1) Again, one source to check for background info as a starting point is 
Wikipedia which has an up to date entry on Tu Youyou; see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_Youyou
Note that she is referred to by her family name "Tu" and not Youyou which would 
probably be annoying at a number of levels.

(2) Tu's research is based on Traditional Chinese Medicine and not homeopathy 
-- I don't know how Prof. Sylvester got them mixed up but for background on 
Traditional Chinese Medicine see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine
And for background on Homeopathy which has nothing to do with Chinese medicine, 
traditional or otherwise, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
Homeopathy is considered a pseudoscience while the status of Traditional 
Chinese Medicine is more complex with the understanding that some treatments 
are only placebos while others, like Tu's, are valid.  The problem is determine 
which ones are valid.

(3) Tu does not have any formal medical or advanced degrees, (she has a B.A. in 
Pharmacy) hence she cannot be called "Dr. Tu"
while "Prof Tu" may be acceptable today.  The reason for this is, as the 
Wikipedia entry states, she grew up during the Cultural Revolution and 
intellectuals (i.e., academics, degreed folks, etc.) were a despised group -- 
one of the "nine black categories"; see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_Old_Ninth
Kinda like the way U.S. conservatives treat academics today. ;-) The NY Times 
does call her "Dr Tu"; see:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/science/william-c-campbell-satoshi-omura-youyou-tu-nobel-prize-physiology-medicine.html?_r=0
But the BBC gets it right, highlighting her status of the "Three Noes":
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-34451386
Unfortunately, there is some controversy about what exactly it was that she did 
to earn the Nobel Prize and whether it was her work or others on the team she 
worked with; see:
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1864382/tu-youyou-nobel-prize-winning-chemist-and-malaria-controversy

(4) Project 523 was a secret Chinese military medical program set up by Mao 
Zedong to develop new antimaliarial treatments partly in response to the 
request by the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War because so many of their 
soldiers caught malaria and traditional treatments apparently no longer worked; 
see Tu's entry above and:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_523

(5) According to Tu's entry,

|Scientists worldwide had screened over 240,000 compounds without 
|success. In 1969, Tu, then 39 years old, had an idea of screening 
|Chinese herbs. She first investigated the Chinese medical classics in 
|history, visiting practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine all 
|over the country on her own. She gathered her findings in a notebook 
|called A Collection of Single Practical Prescriptions for Anti-Malaria. 
|Her notebook summarized 640 prescriptions. Her team also screened over 
|2,000 traditional Chinese recipes and made 380 herbal extracts, which 
|were tested on mice.[2]

The key wording above is that over 2,000 traditional Chinese treatments for 
malaria were identified and, ultimately, only one was found to actually work.

Traditional Chinese Medicine 0, Science 1

(6) As always, check sources, don't go by "word of mouth" for information 
because that is usually just gossip or someone's biased misconstrual of what 
they think they might have heard or read somewhere but can't remember the 
source.

On Thu, 08 Oct 2015 10:01:08 -0700, michael sylvester wrote:
>One of the recipients of this year's  Nobel prize for Medicine is a 
>Chinese lady  who is 85.Going far  back into the literature on Chinese 
>medicine practised centuries ago, she  focused her attention on the 
>Sweet  Worm wood plant which had long been a staple  in  chinese  
>cooking.She  was  able to extract an ingredient  that was definitive in 
>treating malaria.
>We  love you,Dr.Oz.

What does Dr. Oz have to do with anything?

-Mike Palij (member "Stinking Old Ninth") New York University [email protected]



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