Good point Yoav.

And this positive side effect holds true in the health care and insurance 
industries as well,  and is not an accident.  It is one of the primary reasons 
this monitoring is performed.

From: TLS [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Yoav Nir
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:58 AM
To: Rich Salz <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TLS] Breaking into TLS to protect customers

Hi, Rich.

You are conflating customers and users. The customer that may be protected by 
breaking TLS in a bank’s server farm is the bank itself. An IPS system with 
visibility into the traffic may detect bots that are there to steal data or 
mine cryptocurrencies or whatever.

If the customers of the bank are protected, it’s a happy side effect 
(collateral benefit?). The object is to protect the system integrity and the 
data.

Yoav


On 15 Mar 2018, at 5:29, Salz, Rich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:

Some on this list have said that they need to break into TLS in order to 
protect customers.

The thing customers seem to need the most protection is having their personal 
data stolen.  It seems to happen with amazing and disappointing regularity on 
astounding scales.  Some examples include
·         retailer Target, presumably subject to PCI-DSS rules
·         Anthem health insurance, presumably a regulated industry
·         Equifax, a financial-business organization (but apparently not 
regulated)
·         Yahoo, a company created on and by and for the Internet (one would 
think they know better)
We could, of course, go on and on and on.

NONE of those organizations are using TLS 1.3.

So what kind of “protect the customer” requires breaking TLS?  And what 
benefits and increased protection will customers see?


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