Hi,

Oh, all this stuff is such a bummer. But it must be pointed out that my
input draft to the modpod document called out this exact problem.

<
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-sayre-modpod-excellent-02.html#section-4.1
>

The relevant text got dropped by consensus (which I accept) as too fussy or
complicated. But I think the moderation team has the scope to do this in
their policies.

"Hopefully, this action will be used only for a day or two. This capability
is good, because there's no shame. It is not to be used in "Last Call"
situations, as those have a time limit as well."

thanks,
Rob




On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 10:15 AM IETF Chair <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> With this email, I am confirming that the IESG has received and accepted
> your appeal.
>
> Regards,
> Roman Danyliw
> (as IETF Chair, for the IESG)
>
> From: Andrew Lee <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2026 2:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: TLS List <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> Subject: [TLS] Appeal Under RFC 9945 Section 4.1: Moderation of D. J.
> Bernstein During WG Last Call
>
> Dear members of the IESG,
>
> On or about June 30, 2026= the IAB published its response to Dr.
> Bernstein's appeal concerning d=aft-ietf-tls-mlkem. The IAB denied the
> appeal but stated that Dr. Bernstei='s technical objections "are properly
> addressed through the WG=;s ongoing process, including Working Group Last
> Call," and identifie= WGLC as "the appropriate venue for resolution of the
> substantive dis=greements about the document's content."
>
> Two days earlier,=on or about June 28, the TLS chairs placed Dr. Bernstein
> under a 30 day mo=eration period. His messages now require chair approval
> and may be delayed=up to two business days. The WG Last Call for
> draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 ends=on July 8.
>
> 1. The IAB told Dr. Bernstein to make his case during WG=C.
> 2. The chairs are preventing him from doing so.
> 3. _These two act=ons directly contradict each other._
>
> I am independently appealing t=e moderation pursuant to RFC 9945 Section
> 4.1 and RFC 2026 Section 6.5. To=be clear, I am not writing on behalf of
> Dr. Bernstein or at his or anyone&=39;s request. I am writing because this
> contradiction represents a procedu=al failure that affects every
> participant in the TLS Working Group, and pe=haps the entire IETF, and I
> have an obligation as a participant to raise i=.
>
> I am requesting that the full IESG handle this appeal directly, a= neither
> Security AD can serve as a neutral adjudicator. AD Cooley has pub=icly
> prejudged the matter by stating on-list, unprompted and before any ap=eal
> was filed: "I have seen no bias from my chairs." She further=instructed a
> participant not to raise the issue of chair bias again on the=list,
> foreclosing scrutiny of the very question she would be required to
> a=judicate under RFC 9945 Section 4.1. AD Wouters refused for months to
> addr=ss the substance of Dr. Bernstein's original complaint on this same
> di=pute, was identified as having instigated the prior moderation actions,
> an= was required to recuse himself when the matter reached the IESG in
> Octobe= 2025. Both ADs are compromised. The situation is functionally
> equivalent =o one where the responsible AD "cannot be determined or is not
> assign=d" under RFC 9945 Section 4.1.
>
>
> I. Background
>
> Dr. Be=nstein is one of the most prominent technical cryptographers, and
> also, a =ritic of draft-ietf-tls-mlkem, which proposes deploying PQ
> cryptography wi=hout the protection of existing ECC encryption. He argues
> this creates ser=ous security risks, while presenting both research, proofs
> of concepts and=other facts. There are also those that disagree.
> This is a leg=timate technical debate.
>
> AD Cooley clarified on-list that the moder=tion is "not for the technical
> content, but for the footnote which co=tains a derivative rights
> statement," referring to a copyright notice=Dr. Bernstein appends to his
> emails.
>
> This is the Nth time Dr. Berns=ein has been moderated for 30 days, so
> regularly, that we may be able to f=rego crond and use their timings
> instead.
>
>
> II. The cited authori=y is invalid
>
> The moderation notice cites "BCP9 / RFC3934 Secti=n 2." This citation is
> wrong in two independent respects. BCP 9 is RF= 2026, not RFC 3934. These
> are separate documents. Additionally, RFC 3934 =as obsoleted by RFC 9945
> upon publication in February 2026. When this was =aised on-list, AD Cooley
> asserted that RFC 9945 "is not in effect&quo=; yet. The RFC Editor records
> contradict this. The moderation was imposed =nder authority that no longer
> exists.
>
>
> III. The responsible AD h=s already been found to have misrepresented the
> record by the IAB
>
> I= the same June 30 IAB response, the IAB noted that the responsible AD'=
> "initial characterization of the adoption call did not accurately de=cribe
> the record." This is a formal finding by the IAB that the AD mi=represented
> facts in a prior proceeding involving the same parties, the sa=e document,
> and the same underlying dispute. It establishes a documented p=ttern of
> unreliable process administration on this matter.
>
>
> IV. = footnote does not constitute disruption
>
> The derivative works notic= appears at the bottom of Dr. Bernstein's
> emails, after the substantiv= content. It prevents no one from reading or
> responding to his technical a=guments. Whether the notice conforms to IETF
> intellectual property policy =s a legitimate disagreement between Dr.
> Bernstein and the IESG. Using that=disagreement as grounds to silence him
> during a WG Last Call is grossly di=proportionate to the alleged disruption
> and raises serious questions about=whether the true target is his technical
> position rather than his footnote=
>
>
> V. Selective enforcement
>
> During this same WG Last Call,=other participants accused Dr. Bernstein of
> orchestrating a coordinated ca=paign. No warning or moderation followed.
> Participants who are for solo ML=KEM sling disrespect. Participants who are
> for solo ML-KEM have accused ot=ers of criminal behavior on the TLS list
> without consequence. NSA employee= posted to the list for the first and
> only time to express support for the=solo ML-KEM draft. No concern was
> raised about coordination in that instan=e. By contrast, when participants
> arrived through Dr. Bernstein's publ=c call for involvement, which is
> expressly permitted under IETF rules stat=ng that "There is no membership
> in the IETF" and "Anyone ca= participate," it was characterized as
> disruptive.
>
> This is pre=isely the pattern RFC 9945 Section 6 was written to prevent:
> "the pot=ntial abuse of the moderation procedures by moderators, working
> group chai=s, and potentially others that could lead to censorship of
> legitimate part=cipation."
>
>
> VI. Minority positions are protected under IETF=policy
>
> RFC 9945 Section 1.2 states that "viewpoints outside th= rough consensus
> are not in and of themselves disruptive." Dr. Bernst=in holds a substantive
> technical position shared by, what the WG chairs an= ADs consider to be, a
> minority of TLS WG participants. Fourteen participa=ts filed objections
> during the, separate, ML-DSA WG Last Call for example.=Suppressing this
> position through moderation, regardless of the procedural=pretext, violates
> the policy the IETF adopted four months ago.
>
>
> =II. Requested relief
>
> 1. Lift Dr. Bernstein's moderation immedia=ely, or at minimum ensure his
> messages are released without delay for the =emainder of the WG Last Call
> ending July 8.
> 2. Clarify whether the subs=antive protections of RFC 9945, specifically
> Sections 1.2 and 6, are in ef=ect during the transition period.
>
> I am a participant in the TLS Wor=ing Group and have contributed to the
> current WG Last Call for draft-ietf-=ls-mlkem-08. Any person may raise a
> moderation disagreement under RFC 9945=Section 4.1.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Andrew
>
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