Hi -  Note that the only hat I'm wearing here is of a long time IETF participant.

If you've recently joined this list, perhaps solely to "vote" on publication of a document, I wanted to give each of you a few pointers for your edification.

1 - Getting started in the IETF - https://www.ietf.org/participate/get-started/

2 - On Consensus and Humming in the IETF - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7282

First - the IETF does not "vote" all claims or statements to the contrary.

   Working groups make decisions by rough consensus as judged by their
   chairs. [2] above, while neither a standard or a BCP is IMO a
   reasonable explanation of the rough consensus process.  With respect
   to the current discussion, I recommend reading both section 6 and
   section 7 of the document.

   The IETF (collective intelligence) has long experience with
   variations on the themes of dog piling, greek chorus's, and sock
   puppets.  We tend to be able to differentiate between an
   individual's considered opinion and an unconsidered solicited
   "vote".  We also have tools (e.g. when did you actually sign up for
   the mailing list) that provide some more objective hints in this
   category.

   The leadership bodies (IESG, IAB) DO vote on the matters before
   them. But they tend to be rather resistant to any comments but well
   stated technical arguments.

Second, I strongly recommend reading [1] and appropriate links from it.

   The IETF is NOT IEEE, not ISO, not OASIS, not W3C, not Global
   Platform.  Our procedures and the acceptable behavior around such
   procedures have evolved over time, and were, at the beginning at
   least, incorporated as push-back to having ISO internet standards
   declared as replacing TCP/IP standards by fiat. (Ask an old timer
   about Kobe, the original IAB, and the IETF reformation).

   Trying to engage with the IETF without understanding the limits of
   your approach in the IETF context is unlikely to provide you the
   results you may be looking for.  Or substitute both "IETF" with any
   other organization and I believe the statement remains mostly true.

Lastly - if you've considered all of the above, and you still have a strongly held view - informed by your own research into the problem - express yourself!  In last calls, a short 1-2 sentence explanation of why you're supporting or opposed (or don't support but also don't oppose) the action should be all that's needed even for a newcomer.

Oh yes - welcome! TLS is important to the IETF and *YOUR* contribution is part of our rough consensus.

Mike

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