Ah.  I don't suppose the Fedora maintainer is around and can tell me
why F15 still has 1.4?  :)  (even in update-testing)

-Robin

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 07:55:27AM +0100, Nicholas Marriott wrote:
> It wasn't supported in tmux 1.4, try tmux 1.5?
> 
> If that doesn't work, send me the output of "clear|cat -v" on your
> box.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 06:25:40PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > Note, by the way, that on other machines "clear" *used* to do the
> > right thing for me; we had a long thread about it a while back;
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01608.html
> > 
> > This is a completely new system, and I don't know what changed.
> > It's Fedora 15, running tmux 1.4.
> > 
> > Suggestions welcome for how to test/debug this, as usual.
> > 
> > -Robin
> > 
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 06:15:29PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > On my current Fedora machine, no, it doesn't.
> > > 
> > > If I run "clear", with alternate-screen off, it simply destroys
> > > what's on the screen; it doesn't go into tmux's backscroll/history
> > > or anything, it's just *gone*.
> > > 
> > > I want this fixed so very, very badly.  ;_;
> > > 
> > > It annoys me so much that I may have to switch back to GNU screen,
> > > where I never had this problem, despite it being a worse program in
> > > basically every other respect.
> > > 
> > > -Robin
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:28:09PM +0100, Nicholas Marriott wrote:
> > > > Don't we do this already? Clear screen scrolls lines into the history?
> > > > Or do you want something else? It isn't very obvious.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:22:16PM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > 
> > > > > In my quest to get rid of the alternative buffer feature of todays
> > > > > terminals, I've configured tmux with:
> > > > > 
> > > > >   set -g terminal-overrides 'xterm*:smcup@:rmcup@'
> > > > >   set -g alternate-screen off
> > > > > 
> > > > > This basically does everything I want, except that compared to a
> > > > > non-tmux session (with terminfo settings to remove smcup and rmcup
> > > > > capabilities) a "clear" overwrites the existing contents of the
> > > > > terminal.  E.g. when I run Vim in tmux, I lose the information on my
> > > > > screen, whereas outside it isn't.  The \E[2J sequence triggers a full
> > > > > clear screen, and the attached patch changes the behaviour for that
> > > > > sequence in the tty_cmd_clearscreen function not to overwrite, but
> > > > > rather add empty lines to make the terminal clean.  This is only done
> > > > > when alternate-screen is set to off, when this behaviour makes sense.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please consider the attached patch.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Fabian Groffen
> > > > > Gentoo on a different level
> > > > 
> > > > > # HG changeset patch
> > > > > # User Fabian Groffen <grob...@gentoo.org>
> > > > > # Date 1314042382 -7200
> > > > > # Node ID 1b455a85ed6ca5e6aeea23a7152bffcc902966b3
> > > > > # Parent  051fdc014dc5bc730e4b0eb380af8b09938dd9b8
> > > > > tty_cmd_clearscreen: don't overwrite the buffer if 
> > > > > alternate-screen=off
> > > > > 
> > > > > If the alternative-screen isn't used, overwriting the buffer contents
> > > > > loses the information that the user probably wanted to retain (hence 
> > > > > no
> > > > > alternate-screen).  Instead, write enough newlines to clear the screen
> > > > > and reset the cursor, such that we retain all information that was on
> > > > > the screen before the clear.
> > > > > 
> > > > > For example: having ls output and starting Vim won't overwrite the ls
> > > > > output, but show the output including the vim invocation.
> > > > > 
> > > > > diff -r 051fdc014dc5 -r 1b455a85ed6c tty.c
> > > > > --- a/tty.c   Mon Aug 22 20:14:55 2011 +0200
> > > > > +++ b/tty.c   Mon Aug 22 21:46:22 2011 +0200
> > > > > @@ -899,24 +899,32 @@
> > > > >  
> > > > >       tty_reset(tty);
> > > > >  
> > > > > -     tty_region_pane(tty, ctx, 0, screen_size_y(s) - 1);
> > > > > -     tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, 0);
> > > > > +     if (options_get_number(&wp->window->options, 
> > > > > "alternate-screen")) {
> > > > > +             tty_region_pane(tty, ctx, 0, screen_size_y(s) - 1);
> > > > > +             tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, 0);
> > > > >  
> > > > > -     if (wp->xoff == 0 && screen_size_x(s) >= tty->sx &&
> > > > > -         tty_term_has(tty->term, TTYC_EL)) {
> > > > > -             for (i = 0; i < screen_size_y(s); i++) {
> > > > > -                     tty_putcode(tty, TTYC_EL);
> > > > > -                     if (i != screen_size_y(s) - 1) {
> > > > > -                             tty_emulate_repeat(tty, TTYC_CUD, 
> > > > > TTYC_CUD1, 1);
> > > > > -                             tty->cy++;
> > > > > +             if (wp->xoff == 0 && screen_size_x(s) >= tty->sx &&
> > > > > +                             tty_term_has(tty->term, TTYC_EL)) {
> > > > > +                     for (i = 0; i < screen_size_y(s); i++) {
> > > > > +                             tty_putcode(tty, TTYC_EL);
> > > > > +                             if (i != screen_size_y(s) - 1) {
> > > > > +                                     tty_emulate_repeat(tty, 
> > > > > TTYC_CUD, TTYC_CUD1, 1);
> > > > > +                                     tty->cy++;
> > > > > +                             }
> > > > > +                     }
> > > > > +             } else {
> > > > > +                     for (j = 0; j < screen_size_y(s); j++) {
> > > > > +                             tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, j);
> > > > > +                             for (i = 0; i < screen_size_x(s); i++)
> > > > > +                                     tty_putc(tty, ' ');
> > > > >                       }
> > > > >               }
> > > > >       } else {
> > > > > -             for (j = 0; j < screen_size_y(s); j++) {
> > > > > -                     tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, j);
> > > > > -                     for (i = 0; i < screen_size_x(s); i++)
> > > > > -                             tty_putc(tty, ' ');
> > > > > -             }
> > > > > +             /* make sure we don't overwrite buffer contents, move 
> > > > > down */
> > > > > +             for (j = 0; j < screen_size_y(s); j++)
> > > > > +                     tty_putc(tty, '\n');
> > > > > +             tty_region_pane(tty, ctx, 0, screen_size_y(s) - 1);
> > > > > +             tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, 0);
> > > > >       }
> > > > >  }
> > > > >  
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