Hello Lothar, Daniel and Jeroen (who always listens but rarely interferes ;-) )
If you could see me right now, I have this e-mail on my left monitor and Lothar's mail on the right one. I do not know why I did not use two monitors before, I now cannot do without it! And I did it about a year ago, when we were starting to support two displays for FXPopup (most of you will remember). I then sent a patch that would do the job for W32 and am proud to say it was my first patch that was readily applied to FXPopup. So, Lothar, some things get better (not that it was my patch, it was heavily changed later anyway, but the 2 monitors reminded me that). My opinion on this was submitted to this list in the last six-monthly complaint of Lothar: I do not see any more any reasons why there is no CVS and no "todo" list, even one without time marks. As long as Jeroen was employed at CFDRC I could clearly see his point: FOX was his wallet, which he gracefully shared with us. Now, I think that Jeroen has developed an agoraphobia. I think he is afraid that everyone will be poking him to correct stuff in the CVS and do what's on the "todo" list. I had this conversation before, I cannot make anybody see the glass half full - not half empty. I vote for the CVS and I totally agree for anyone to use whatever I have ever submitted. I must say here that Niall did not do just some small extensions, but opened the TnFox CVS some time ago (13/11) so his experience is more than useful. The way I see it, is that Niall has shown the way. If one does not like Jeroen's way, he is free to branch Fox into anything he likes. Now, I must pose this question: If we make the CVS, how many FOX users will follow? I do not know the answer. If we take this step, we must make it certain it succeeds. There are two important points that we must take into account: 1) Who will be responsible to maintain the CVS. Jeroen will never do that, obviously. I do not know if I can help, because I do not know how :-/ You'll probably flog me for this one, but I have to be honest.... If we do it, then someone who has the abilities and will must do it. So we need one or more leaders. Then, we have to decide on the license, if it is going to be the same as for FOX, and if FOX will remain free forever. I am in favor of both, just for the record. 2) Let's not fight Jeroen, let's attract him to the CVS gently. Fighting Jeroen is bad, working along with him will be good. There may be many people that will prefer to stick with the old way, since it works until now. Remember, there are big companies that use FOX also, such as Abaqus, you do not know it unless you use it. Will they switch to the CVS version? I do not know (in fact, Sander, could we have a poll on this?). This will lead to setting up the CVS, and make it work in such a way that Jeroen will eventually (and shortly) join. So the transition will have to be without Jeroen, but always open for him to join. How can this be done? I am not sure. What do we need the CVS for? More widgets or better FOX core? What is the most expedient of the two? If it is widgets, then we should go for it right now, and make a CVS of all the features we want, along with FOX core, but leave it intact for a while, until people start to use the CVS. I have to say that I encourage the CVS completely. I do not see another way that FOX life can be prolonged to the future. Also, I do not like the fact that there is a thick haze over Fox's future, that Jeroen is not willing to clear. But I think that Jeroen will be convinced that a CVS will work fruitfully for Fox as it does for so many other projects. Reagrds, Dimitris PS: BTW: 1) Have you seen this? http://fox-toolkit.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FOX_Style_Guide 2) Is this maintained by anyone? http://sourceforge.net/projects/foxgui/ 3) Have you tried to find fox using sourceforge's search? ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ _______________________________________________ Tnfox-discussion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tnfox-discussion
