on 1/15/01 2:20 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Many people feel that 3.3 is the safest bet for the next year. Some of us
> want to keep real world production sites running with real world
> constraints. Those of us can postpone using the beautiful new features of
> Catalina but still need something a bit better than 3.2.

I'm not arguing that point at all.

>> My question that I'm going to bring up at the PMC meeting is:
>> 
>> Where does it stop? If we release 3.3 and there are bugs in it, do we then
>> release 3.3.1...3.3.2...3.3.3...3.4...etc...or do we call it quits on that
>> tree and focus on 4.0?
> 
> Sam and others already stated that 3.3 is easier to maintain. They did take
> a look at the code.
> 
> You don't believe them?

That has nothing to do with the question.

>> Costin has already stated that he is going to disappear. I have
>> yet to see a
>> real solid answer on *when* he is going to disappear, but that probably
>> primarily depends on whether or not there will be a 3.3 release from the
>> Jakarta Project (as decided by the PMC).
> 
> He also did most of the commits in 3.2. At least, even if he disappears, he
> is leaving behind something easier to maintain.

I'm not contesting that.

> The difference is that several valid committers and users might go too. And
> those are potential future committers/users that would evolve to Tomcat 4
> in one year or less.

I have been doing this long enough now that I don't even given a glimmer of
hope towards "potentials". I only glimmer on people who step up and say they
are willing to do something now *and* for the future.

Also, if those people go, they will go regardless. If they come back, they
will come back regardless. Most of the people involved with Tomcat
development are being paid for it in one way or another (like Larry with
SAS).

> P.S.: It is great to see how your manage your heavy schedule with such
> skill that you find time to keep all this fight going on.

It isn't a fight. It is preparation for the meeting. I want to make sure
that everyone gets in their voice of opinion and also gets a response. I'm
tired of being considered doing things behind closed doors. Now I'm going to
make damn sure that you get to see it fully in the open.

thanks,

-jon


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