Bojan Smojver wrote:

> On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 20:59, John Trollinger wrote:
> 
>> Don't buy all the velocity hype.. It is not as great as they make it out
>> to be.
> 
> What hype? I don't follow here...
> 
> Velocity is just a template language, plain, simple and relatively
> small. It's "greatness" comes from the fact that you cannot do things in
...

And Velocity does have a mailing list where all this can be discussed.

This is tomcat-dev - for servlet and jsp development.

If you have any ideas on how to improve jasper - great, but please don't
waste our time with off topic subjects. Comments and sugestions on JSP spec 
can be addressed to the feedback address from Sun, we just implement it.

( and BTW, nobody forces you to use any java inside the JSP if you don't
want to, or any of the features that are specific to jsps. )

Costin
( who enjoys writing java inside jsps, and thinks web applications 
_are_ programs, regardless of what other people claim ).

> it, not from that fact that you can. Other template languages might be
> as good or better, wouldn't know, but given that Velocity is a Jakarta
> project, it seemed like a reasonable suggestion to me. And it certainly
> does the job for me. I don't see why would sharing a good experience
> with someone qualify as hype.
> 
> But all that is actually beside the point. The point is that you don't
> want your web designers to touch Java code, ever. Making web pages
> programs, with access into depths of you JVM, is what the initial
> problem with JSP's actually is.


> 
>> Please no flames from the velocity disiples as I will not respond.
> 
> Why do you think anyone from Velocity crowd would flame you? I found
> most users and developers to be helpful and constructive. They certainly
> helped me switch from JSP's in no time at all.
> 
> Bojan




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